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rakshan
Joined: Mar 30, 2005 Posts: 47 Status: Offline |
Any chance of letting Viridian players a chance of helping with testing on Ice? I wanna help testing, but I dont want to become a subscriber (Yeah, commitment issues!) maybe ppl on viridian with some broad experience can be allowed to login to ice ? rax |
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Kaet
Joined: Jun 18, 2004 Posts: 995 Status: Offline |
I hope not. It would be exactly like playing completely for free. Ye need to subscribe, mate. |
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rakshan
Joined: Mar 30, 2005 Posts: 47 Status: Offline |
Im sure that all subscribers also think that ppl on viridian are playing free. How about getting some of the doubloon strategy onto Ice? For example, for $9.95, give a person 40,000 poe and access to Ice Ocean. (That way, you're not actually getting the douboons into Ice, but just the concept of buying poe to play) I'd be more than glad to buy some poe and some time on Ice and try the new things and help find the bugs. rax |
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Starfaller
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We already tested doubloons on Ice. And NONE of us got PoE when starting Ice, why should you? Ahh, now I know there was an extra benefit for subscribing! w000t! ---------------------------------------- Synful
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rakshan
Joined: Mar 30, 2005 Posts: 47 Status: Offline |
Why should I ? Coz Im paying $9.95 for it. Anyway, well, I didnt know that Ice has a dobloon economy. My suggestion of poe for cash was because thats how the Game developers get paid. Players buy doubloons with cash/credit-card, they exchange doubloons for POE at the bank, they use the POE in the game for buying stuff. So, $9.95 => 47db (currently) and 1 db => 1000 POE (at the exchange) so, $9.95 => 47,000 POE (if you dont want to implement a doubloon exchange and economy) |
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VPeric
Joined: Aug 27, 2003 Posts: 1532 Status: Offline |
Actually, this has been disscussed before, with the idea of a purchaseable "Ice Badge" on Viridian. I'm sure someone will be able to find the right thread for you (Me busy - Housing!). ---------------------------------------- Wlada, Former King of Bloody Hell and former Captain of Sudden Death, Cobalt. Vlada, Officer of the Rudder Royals, Azure. |
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Kaet
Joined: Jun 18, 2004 Posts: 995 Status: Offline |
Why don't ye just pay $9.95 to subscribe? Then ye can play on Ice as your main ocean. Of course, ye get no free poe for your subscription, but that's how the rest of us started. Doubloons were tested on Ice, but it doesn't have a doubloon economy now. That version of Ice was wiped and everyone had to start over. |
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Starfaller
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Aye, with no poe and in rags and our stats all novice and able. I could see allowing doubloon pirates who purchase $9.95 per month worth of doubloons directly with a credit card to be allowed to test on Ice but if you don't buy $9.95 worth of doubloons a particular month, yer account is suspending just like ours is and of course, they start like the rest of us do, on Pollywog in rags with nothing but a foil to call our own. Pirates who purchase doubloons with PoE should be ineligible for testing ocean. ---------------------------------------- Synful
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Kaet
Joined: Jun 18, 2004 Posts: 995 Status: Offline |
Not that I know or anything, but I doubt there is currently a mechanism for keeping track of how long ago someone paid $9.95 (or more) for doubloons. It appears to be mostly a straight monetary transaction with a flag for shanghais. I have no idea why I say that, but it seems more like a purchase of something rather than a payment for a subscription, ye know? |
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Starfaller
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Kaet, I'm sorry, I was referring to the option to purchase the howmany doubloons it says in the exchange for $9.95 via credit card transaction. It all goes through billing so there are records kept of who purchases what and when. ---------------------------------------- Synful
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Kaet
Joined: Jun 18, 2004 Posts: 995 Status: Offline |
Yes, there are records. Yes, it goes through billing. My point was the transaction to buy doubloons seems to be a different type of transaction than the one to subscribe. It's probably just my mind separating them, but subscriptions would have to be tied to the account along with a...erm, "countdown calendar" to check if the subscription should be billed again. Doubloons do have the date you bought them in the doubloon history, but there would have been no reason to attach a countdown calendar to doubloons since they don't work that way (being an "item," not a "service"). Big-time-assumptions (which you should never make) on my part, of course. ;) I do suppose they could add it, but why take the time? Assuming it would take time to do.... o_O |
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Faulkston
Joined: Jun 4, 2004 Posts: 23179 Status: Offline |
http://www.puzzlepirates.com/community/mvnforum/viewthread?thread=18816 Faulkston, linky ---------------------------------------- Avatar by Carribean |
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Arthas
Joined: Aug 15, 2003 Posts: 617 Status: Offline |
A simple solution, if you're willing to throw that $9.95 out there, is just subscribe for a month. Complete and total access. ---------------------------------------- Antioch/Vhailor- Back with bigger guns. |
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emerson
Joined: Aug 4, 2003 Posts: 8878 Status: Offline |
As a less politically-charged response, let me point out that there's probably no mechanism in place to have an ocean share subscribers and doubloon accounts. For example, as a subscriber, I can't just log on to Viridian, get some poe together, and buy a sloop without also buying doubloons to deliver it. The Ice badge might work, but that's still a bit weird. Where would you keep it? On your Viridian account? ---------------------------------------- Cleaver shouts, "I lub this island." Personally I think that TITS are a technique if they are used less than once every three moves. Any more than that, and you're just waving your exploits in their faces. - Flamer |
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The flaw with an 'ice badge' is that ice is a subscriber ocean - albeit a vastly underpopulated bug laden one. Theres nothing to stop a group of people moving to ice and paying their X dubloons a month to have unrestricted access to a subscriber ocean. As to why people on Viridian won't just pay $10 a month for the subscriber oceans even if they spent that (or more) in dubloons - we have friends, political ties, possessions... and a whole ocean thats ours. I like it there. I'm sure lots of other do too. ---------------------------------------- SO of Monkey Mayhem Owner of many pixelated possessions Viridian |
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Yakuza
Joined: Jun 15, 2004 Posts: 933 Status: Offline |
I don't see why it would hurt to let the Viridianites spend doubs to play on Ice. It still counts as a doub sink and cash income to OOO and would raise the value of doubloons. Also, noone plays Ice. The most I ever saw there (in a long time) was today at 58. Thats hardly the testing environment. ----------------------------------------
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char
Joined: Jan 4, 2004 Posts: 1544 Status: Offline |
How about anyone who has used there credit card (or other means) to buy doubloons be able to come to Ice. ---------------------------------------- Zife Senior Officer of Black Death Host of the 11th Black Death Tournament Co-Host of the 10th Black Death Tournament |
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Ellstar
 Joined: Jun 8, 2005 Posts: 56 Status: Offline |
How about those who have already paid (with cc or paypal or whatnot) and pay for dubloons can get access? ---------------------------------------- ~Pirates~ Ellstar sails on the Viridian Ocean RingoStarr sails on the Viridian Ocean Amarise sails on the Midnight Ocean |
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barrelmonkey
Joined: Mar 13, 2005 Posts: 3745 Status: Offline |
How about they come up with a system that would allow you to subscribe to Ice only for $10 a month, but also give you like $5 worth in doubloons. Because I REALLY want to play on Ice, but I already pay the same as a subscriber on doubloons and I don't think its fair that I should have to pay that again so that I can play on 3 servers, only one of which I would actually play on. I don't really want access to Midnight or Cobalt, they don't interest me like Viridian does. To be entirely honest with you though, I don't want all of the freebie doubloonies out roaming Ice either. I just feel that those of us who support OOO as much as subscribers should be allowed the same priviledges. |
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DaneT
Joined: Apr 16, 2005 Posts: 2665 Status: Offline |
Just to note the original poster... He said his was a time issue. Other subscribers, there are styles of play that suit others, you know. not everyone can play for an hour everyday. ---------------------------------------- It has been said, my friends, that I like war. My friends, I like War. No...I LOVE WAR! Danet - An old salt of Y!PP, but not the oldest by a long shot. |
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Siggy
Joined: Jun 7, 2004 Posts: 1238 Status: Offline |
As to why people on Midnight can't get over themselves is beyond me? They feel bad because we've moved past the out-dated subscription model into micropayments where we pay, sometimes more then $10 worth a month, as we go- we have friends, political ties, possessions... and a whole ocean thats ours. I like it there. I'm sure lots of other do too. [/derail rant against Midnighters who think that they are somehow better then the inhabitants of Viridian] Besides, you have to get the dubs somehow and all doubloons start out as cash payments to the ringers. Thus 40 some odd doubloons (10.00/0.25 there is a discount for buying in bulk) should buy an ice badge. The ice badge should decay like the labor badge (every day, regardless of if you logged in or not. The badge would be kept with the rest of the badges). There, we payed $10 and should be able to access ice. ---------------------------------------- Sig Owner: Sig Supply Network What happens when you beat whiny sword fighters with overpowered trash swords...
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barrelmonkey
Joined: Mar 13, 2005 Posts: 3745 Status: Offline |
Wait, why should we have to pay an extra $10 a month to access less than a third of what subscribers get for their $10? If that were an option, I see no reason not to just pay for a subscription to play on Ice. I retract my last post. That wasn't actually a good idea. Instead I suggest that for every $15 or $20 in doubloons we spend, we get a month of service on Ice. |
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Siggy
Joined: Jun 7, 2004 Posts: 1238 Status: Offline |
exactly because it isn't a doubloon ocean. What is stopping someone, if access was free, from playing only on Ice? My method allows players to buy doubloons of the exchange, which disperses the cost of Ice access over more people... ---------------------------------------- Sig Owner: Sig Supply Network What happens when you beat whiny sword fighters with overpowered trash swords...
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barrelmonkey
Joined: Mar 13, 2005 Posts: 3745 Status: Offline |
Thats why I'm not saying to make it free, or to just make it discounted. Let me re-explain my suggestion. Once you reach, for example, $20 spent on doubloons, you can play on Ice for a month (counting days that you played on and ones that you didn't). Then every $20 after that awards you with a month of Ice access. Yeah, you don't pay any extra to play on Ice, but its not free. That way Ice is just a nice supplement to the game, as it is with subscribing. |
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Skal
Joined: Jul 31, 2003 Posts: 1122 Status: Offline |
Why shouldn't Ice be entirely free? It's buggy. It's inconsistent... so what if people play only there? Actually, it would make much more sense for it to be a dubloon ocean... the normal items are all on the dubloon model and then whatever is being tested (in this case, housing) has no dubloon price set. If you want to play it like a normal ocean, you pay. If you just want to test the newest feature, you pay nothing. ---------------------------------------- Sadiekate I know Tofu. |
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barrelmonkey
Joined: Mar 13, 2005 Posts: 3745 Status: Offline |
The problem though is that they need it to test things. Having a bunch of the annoying freebie Viridian people would be really bad. |
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DaneT
Joined: Apr 16, 2005 Posts: 2665 Status: Offline |
You know what they could test? Chat filters. ---------------------------------------- It has been said, my friends, that I like war. My friends, I like War. No...I LOVE WAR! Danet - An old salt of Y!PP, but not the oldest by a long shot. |
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Siggy
Joined: Jun 7, 2004 Posts: 1238 Status: Offline |
A bunch of stuck-up midnighters is better? Personally, I find Midnighters to be the annoying ones because they are some of the most intolerant people in the game. The quote is being used as an example. ---------------------------------------- Sig Owner: Sig Supply Network What happens when you beat whiny sword fighters with overpowered trash swords...
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lokonzo
Joined: Mar 19, 2005 Posts: 709 Status: Offline |
I agree with Sig here, Viridian has many players, who are dedicated to the game, and pay more real cash to buy dubloons than anyone on Midnight. People like that deserve to use the test server. (Definitely not everyone who wants to though...) ---------------------------------------- Lokonzo- Viridian and Sage British Battalion. European Revolution. Other words here. |
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McStew721
Joined: Apr 12, 2004 Posts: 196 Status: Offline |
Stuck-up and proud. ---------------------------------------- McStew - Llyr's Pact, Carpe Noctem |
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