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mari_
Joined: May 18, 2005 Posts: 2484 Status: Offline |
So... First impressions weird design cross between a GF and a MG. Don't like that you have to walk through the front cabin to get to the front stations or go up the stairs if you are playing on a small screen. Not so sure on the design of the giant hatched holds, but that will grow on me I guess. Some of the cabins feel HUGE for the ship. ---------------------------------------- Calamarie - now also in Obsidian flavour! Dignity - Emerald "Always remember... Rumours are carried by haters, spread by fools, and accepted by idiots." The Shadow is in my very core ;) ---------------------------------------- [Edit 1 times, last edit by mari_ at Mar 20, 2018 2:53:45 PM] |
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Filthyjake
Joined: Jun 14, 2012 Posts: 1115 Status: Offline |
Those mesh hatches are a bit ugly but w/e who cares what it looks like, Cabin sizes seemed normal to me The Helm in the back seems odd to me with the size of the ship it would make sense to put it up front The Growing vegetation below deck looks out of place, but could probably be deleted. 40 Pirates 15 Sails 8 Carps 7 Bilge Now we need to set a time to get 15-20 people on so it can sail lol ---------------------------------------- Filthyjake all oceans (Obsidian Primary) Filthyjake6145 (discord) ?Retired? On a Break? I found a new love... Casual player or yet another who moved on. ---------------------------------------- [Edit 1 times, last edit by Filthyjake at Mar 20, 2018 5:44:06 PM] |
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Opsat
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Hmm... I find it a little weird that it looks bigger than a War Frig when supposedly it has a lower capacity. Anyway, anyone sailing one? Date? Time? :D ---------------------------------------- Opsat on all oceans. (Also Opsat-East on Emerald and Meridian, and Opsat-West on Cerulean.) And on Obsidian: Opsat, Meghost, and Meshadow. |
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mari_
Joined: May 18, 2005 Posts: 2484 Status: Offline |
Looks like its 12 for influence... and influence is that of a war brig (as expected) ---------------------------------------- Calamarie - now also in Obsidian flavour! Dignity - Emerald "Always remember... Rumours are carried by haters, spread by fools, and accepted by idiots." The Shadow is in my very core ;) |
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mitsu999
Joined: Jan 23, 2004 Posts: 58 Status: Offline |
Screen captures of War Galleon on Ice Main deck (rear / center / front) https://gyazo.com/9d995239fbb9e806da9e7f39661b5000 https://gyazo.com/d4254a519cc87c2a0757051c9d20c7ce https://gyazo.com/3828e71009a6e35011f298b2f7d19e19 Captains https://gyazo.com/20c0f6642072a45bd1baab03043bb617 Cabin https://gyazo.com/5ec3957ecef3ca55ffa481e4214b3d15 Main Hold https://gyazo.com/eeb17f92416c1a10508c9d67256522cf Aft Hold https://gyazo.com/d507cc8ee5d840f6d876679044f66c7a Forecastle https://gyazo.com/0f2f2f97c70b41b509796ce850b60451 Main and Fore Crows Nests https://gyazo.com/911dd7d23ca4256e33ca7d2fa2d822fd Aft Crows Nest https://gyazo.com/809c31b8f935b063ca95d1b7c7cb9944 ---------------------------------------- Grumbles on all oceans |
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Dynasty666
Joined: Oct 11, 2007 Posts: 222 Status: Offline |
Looks pretty cool. Can't wait for the release. ---------------------------------------- ~Etrigan on Emerald~ |
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hidemyhoney
Joined: Dec 26, 2017 Posts: 472 Status: Offline |
How many swabbies do you get? for sailing for pillage/evade or whatever compared to swabbing transport? ---------------------------------------- Lets bring the community together! <3 Yumisa is hawt (Its true, its damn true). Thanks for avvie. A fellow victim of neglect, from YPP. How on earth does Emerald still have players? lolidk |
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mitsu999
Joined: Jan 23, 2004 Posts: 58 Status: Offline |
22 swabbies for swabby transport 14 swabbies for pillage/evade 40 player max when full ---------------------------------------- Grumbles on all oceans ---------------------------------------- [Edit 2 times, last edit by mitsu999 at Mar 23, 2018 9:30:01 AM] |
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Trippleos
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If the goal is for this ship to be an alternative or a cross between a Xebec and a War Frig to be useful in SMHs, perhaps we should consider reducing the amount of people needed to man the ship, whether by reducing the amount of stations or the max amount of pirates needed. Loading time for smhs is no joke at the moment. |
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Prammy16
 Joined: Mar 2, 2010 Posts: 259 Status: Offline |
I think the goal is to be very close to the Xebec, but instead of adding hull strength to a WB, it adds guns to the WB and keeps the same hull strength. I'm surprised to learn it has 5 less max pirates, though. ---------------------------------------- -Porglit on Emerald -Shadetemplar on Obsidian |
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Trippleos
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I suppose we can continue the 2 hour loading, and 1 hour of sitting at the league point tradition then. |
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Prammy16
Joined: Mar 2, 2010 Posts: 259 Status: Offline |
I don't think changing this ship would help that. If you make it much better, Xebecs will be 100% obsolete. Right now they're just about tied. ---------------------------------------- -Porglit on Emerald -Shadetemplar on Obsidian |
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Trippleos
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With that logic, the presence of war brigs should make Xebecs obsolete. This War Galleon design will most likely make Xebecs obsolete. People will fill whatever vessel is convenient and appropriate for the voyage they are going out on. The reason we need a new vessel is not for firepower, its to have a vessel that can be filled in a reasonable time and can survive in a sea monster hunt environment. War Brigs/Junks work for cit runs but are inefficient when used to primarily sink monsters. Please consider a ship that can be filled relatively easily but won't sink within 1 segment. We're not in the same situations, player-count wise that we were when bigger ships were introduced, having more options won't hurt so long as they are usable. Perhaps we should look into more vessels that are best suited for smaller crews and can survive some of the more difficult environments. ---------------------------------------- [Edit 1 times, last edit by Trippleos at Mar 23, 2018 10:50:22 AM] |
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Prammy16
Joined: Mar 2, 2010 Posts: 259 Status: Offline |
This was all discussed in the thread originally proposing the ship idea. It's a bit late to try to rehash it now. ---------------------------------------- -Porglit on Emerald -Shadetemplar on Obsidian |
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Trippleos
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Time will tell. I, however am glad something other than PVPs is getting an update, so we might as well make it work. What i'm curious about is how we're going to get around to testing out how this ship will fare in battle/smh on ice ocean. The few times i've been online there, there has only been one or two other players online |
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Filthyjake
Joined: Jun 14, 2012 Posts: 1115 Status: Offline |
If an owner picked a date and time their is a float up currently ---------------------------------------- Filthyjake all oceans (Obsidian Primary) Filthyjake6145 (discord) ?Retired? On a Break? I found a new love... Casual player or yet another who moved on. |
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Harshex
Joined: Dec 3, 2006 Posts: 686 Status: Offline |
@Grumbles Thanks for giving us some screen shots! <3 ---------------------------------------- Severe of Emerald Derp. |
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Thunderbird
Joined: Sep 4, 2003 Posts: 5771 Status: Offline |
Game claims 7 carp stations in the pirates aboard window, but there are actually 9. /bugged that. ---------------------------------------- Pirate tells you, "my, that's one BIG wad o' chewing gum ye have mounted on yer bonce! oO'" Sungod officer chats, "I wonder if anyone's sailing the harpsichord" Pirate tells you, "ZOMG CANDYFLOSS!!! *munches*" |
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mitsu999
Joined: Jan 23, 2004 Posts: 58 Status: Offline |
I also noted that swabbies will only take up to 14 sails. The sail on the front pole is never taken by a swabbie, but a human pirate can take it to fill sails to 15. I /bugged this. ---------------------------------------- Grumbles on all oceans |
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beccyis
Joined: Jul 9, 2008 Posts: 28 Status: Offline |
So this is just a worry that I have for the new ship and the number of stations it requires when compared to the Xebec and WB. Currently the Xebec and WB need ~69%(31/45) and ~63%(19/30) of their max capacity for pirates on stations to fill them all (excluding gunners and nav). When we compare this to the current WG stats. We need 32/40 people on stations to fill all the stations in the same respect (15 sails, currently 9 not 7 carps and 8 bilge). This is a very worrying fact as it would make the WG completely irrelevant for SMHing. The ship would have serious lack of defenders which would make it impossible to run safely as even a small fray(6v4 for atlantis for example) would take all the lazers and any drop would put the ship in serious danger. I propose that they change the WG to a move 12/8/7 setup which would bring the % of pirates on station to a place that better resembles the Xebec and WB. For the numbers geeks station break down as % of capacity (s|c|b =total) WB: 30% | 20% | 13.3% =63.3% Xebec: 31.11% | 20% | 17.78% =68.89% Current WG: 37.5% | 22.5% | 20% =80% Proposed WG: 30% | 20% | 17.5% =67.5% ---------------------------------------- Bestboy - Emerald & Obsidian Captain - Well That's Just Rude Avatar by Bisca |
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hidemyhoney
Joined: Dec 26, 2017 Posts: 472 Status: Offline |
Very good point, even if you had around 5-7 leavers you'd have to port being undermanned for stations and boarders and leavers do happen alot on SMHs. If you want my 2 cents with the 40 pirates aboard I'd have 29 people on stations and 11 lazing for example, 11 sails, 7 carp 6 bilge 1 nav 4 guns which = 29 (28 if 3 gunners (GM+), with 11 lazing and being able to defend and etc so therefore if you have 27/28 left on the ship, you could still have 11 sails 4 carp, 3 bilge 4 guns, 5 defending with navver or something to be able to exit which would be a more smarter approach. ---------------------------------------- Lets bring the community together! <3 Yumisa is hawt (Its true, its damn true). Thanks for avvie. A fellow victim of neglect, from YPP. How on earth does Emerald still have players? lolidk |
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Prammy16
Joined: Mar 2, 2010 Posts: 259 Status: Offline |
Makes good sense. I'm not sure if they were specifically making it more difficult to be used in SMHs and the like, though, even just reducing the max capacity makes it harder already, even without upping the percentages needed to run the ship. Although this makes me curious: does a station only produce a portion of the ships need, and that need is identical for all ships? In other words, does a sloop, WB, and GF all repair damage at the same rate if all of their carp stations are full, and the only difference is that a sloop is 1/2 of the carp effect, while on a MG it's 1/9th? Or: Does a single station produce a certain effect, and having more simply makes that ship able to produce more of that effect? If so, reducing the sails stations would actually reduce how fast the ship could go... I simply don't know how it works. ---------------------------------------- -Porglit on Emerald -Shadetemplar on Obsidian ---------------------------------------- [Edit 2 times, last edit by Prammy16 at Mar 25, 2018 6:00:05 AM] |
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etieti
Joined: Jan 30, 2008 Posts: 1153 Status: Offline |
If they would fix it for SMHs .... Might aswell fix it for flotillas aswell! Cala and harrjm spawned a frig a xebec AND a dhow for a single war galleon in! Thats absolutely ridiculous. ---------------------------------------- Emerald Cerulean |
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Filthyjake
Joined: Jun 14, 2012 Posts: 1115 Status: Offline |
hmm.... if it spawned such a high power flotilla it will probably act the same in BK kades (representing a out of proportion amount of power), yes it has high fire power but a week hull, which would make it easy to sink so BK kades could end up easier yet. ---------------------------------------- Filthyjake all oceans (Obsidian Primary) Filthyjake6145 (discord) ?Retired? On a Break? I found a new love... Casual player or yet another who moved on. |
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Forculus
Developer Joined: Mar 30, 2011 Posts: 397 Status: Offline |
I just wanted to let you all know that we're following the discussion here and looking to make changes to the duty stations as suggested. Thanks for the testing and feedback so far!
I'll have this fixed in the next update, thank you for reporting it! |
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mitsu999
Joined: Jan 23, 2004 Posts: 58 Status: Offline |
The War Galleon has been updated on Ice. To get a newly configured ship you must petition Oms to replace your current ship; the ship name will not be preserved. NOTE: The station list shows
I captured new images of the updated War Galleon on Ice I don't think the rooms without stations changed Main deck (rear / center / front) https://gyazo.com/49d12ed2c2ec3ea3e1896971aeec8de7 https://gyazo.com/831f2922755ace5dfb8adfc8281d9b10 https://gyazo.com/c4832dbeee21775f81b7e2eacad2b356 Main Hold https://gyazo.com/9d5efacaa0f0320bfe9a955085bcc11d ---------------------------------------- Grumbles on all oceans ---------------------------------------- [Edit 3 times, last edit by mitsu999 at Mar 29, 2018 6:46:15 PM] |
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Opsat
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Hmm... I didn't petition the OMs to replace the ship I bought in March 22, but station numbers in your last post works out. - There are 15 sails, you seem right in that the bots can't seem to find the big sail station in front, but I can take it. - I can assign 6 to guns. - I can assign 9 to carp and I found those 9 stations. - I can assign 8 to bilge and I found those 8 stations. Add: Just looked at some of your new screenshots, the stairs to the front part is nice. :) Maybe I should go buy another ship. xD (nah, just kidding :P will wait for combination of the two :P ) ---------------------------------------- Opsat on all oceans. (Also Opsat-East on Emerald and Meridian, and Opsat-West on Cerulean.) And on Obsidian: Opsat, Meghost, and Meshadow. ---------------------------------------- [Edit 2 times, last edit by Opsat at Mar 29, 2018 11:03:42 PM] |
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mitsu999
Joined: Jan 23, 2004 Posts: 58 Status: Offline |
Update on Ice today fixed the station counts to
This matches the number of actual stations on the updated version of the War Galleon. ---------------------------------------- Grumbles on all oceans |
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Forculus
Developer Joined: Mar 30, 2011 Posts: 397 Status: Offline |
I'm putting out an update on Ice right now to fix this. Thank you for continuing to catch these station issues! |
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etieti
Joined: Jan 30, 2008 Posts: 1153 Status: Offline |
Can you make sure to reduce the influence in blockades to not make it an overkill ship in cades please? Cause if you don't reduce the influence on those war galleons ... War brigs and xebecs will become obsolete. My suggestion would be to make them same influence as junks/baghlahs :) Just my 2 cents to save the use of already populated ships! ---------------------------------------- Emerald Cerulean |
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