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BehindCurtai
Joined: May 25, 2004 Posts: 12589 Status: Offline |
A GF has a lot of cannons, right? Should they have triple shot? I know this has been brought up before (weak searching). Now that we're taking a big look at blockades, and the reference to Bifnot's guide mentioning that GF's don't cut it because they don't have the firepower equivalent for their manpower, well, why not? GF's take a lot of people to run. GF's have a lot of cannons. So why not give them triple shot? We'd probably see more of them on the field. ---------------------------------------- "We're trying to find the error bars on that number"
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Shuranthae
Joined: Apr 1, 2004 Posts: 9758 Status: Offline |
No. GFs are not war ships. And I've long said GFs weren't good for Blockades. Do you have some sort of forum mute on me or something? |
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peax
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Yeah, GF's are like Cutters...not good at war. "You have forum-unmuted Shuranthae" Eeek, somehow you were muted. *hides* ---------------------------------------- 'Beauty is truth, truth beauty, that is all Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know. (-Keats) |
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BehindCurtai
Joined: May 25, 2004 Posts: 12589 Status: Offline |
I don't have a forum mute on you. I know that GF's currently are not good blockade ships. Why not make them good blockade ships? Would triple shot give them enough offensive ability to make them good blockade ships? Would that give new blockade tactics? Instead of WB's holding flags, and WF's hunting, would we see GF's come out and hunt the WF's? Seperate entirely from the question of "What do we want to see in blockades", which may very well be more emphasis on smaller ships. Speaking of which, where are those low-draft spaces that only sloops and cutters can cross? EDIT: Just realized: Someone will post a followup with a link to an old thread and say "Over here". ---------------------------------------- "We're trying to find the error bars on that number"
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maisutero
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1.) Apparently there are more immediate problems with (broken?) blockades then fostering the appearance of the GF 2.) This would be hard to implement for the simple reason that a third cannon button wouldn't exactly fit on the sea battle nav interface. It would involve a major recode and an art rework. Probably not worth all the effort, and doubtful it will ever happen. ---------------------------------------- Grundie Captain of CoU Mad Scientist of U Troublemaker of M |
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Korhil
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It the GF didn't exist at all (as in, there was only 6 types of ship), there would be no incentive to try make a bigger ship to use in blockades. It might be 'nice' to have the biggest ship capable of making an impact in blockades, but its just not worth changing for that reason alone. ---Korhil Who dreams of a GF having more purpose than being a 'pay ship' ---------------------------------------- Robertdonald says, "had a great time sinking stuff, see you guys at jorvik VII, VIII, IX, X, XI, XII, and XIII" Officer - Black Opal |
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Parthanos
Joined: Oct 15, 2004 Posts: 2567 Status: Offline |
I actually would say the reverse. I always wanted to see some sort of staffing multiplier on GF's alone. In that given they are the largest ship, and given staffing one is quite a chore, I would love to see them potentially become a menacing war ship, assuming you can staff it well. I think over 150 mates on a ship should have some sort of multiplier. I also think with GF's under a set number (40) should incur a greater penalty. ---------------------------------------- Long retired, mostly expired Angelmarie tells you, "*nods* I know. :) La Giustazia Inpronouncable.... ;)" |
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chewyshoe
Joined: May 8, 2004 Posts: 1357 Status: Offline |
Gfs aren't war ships simply because they suck though. Infact gf's aren't very good for anything but storage/events. I don't care what people do to it, make it a mobile crack seller but as it stands that ship sucks and needs a re-vamp ---------------------------------------- Funny exam answers | Free online contests |
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Christoban
Joined: Jun 10, 2004 Posts: 1201 Status: Offline |
Better question: Should their influence ring be bumped a little more? ----------------------------------------
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scupperer
Joined: Nov 28, 2003 Posts: 4335 Status: Offline |
I think they should be allowed 4 moves/turn. ---------------------------------------- I believe that we are all, openly or secretly, struggling against one or another kind of nihilism. - Ellen Willis |
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rixation
Joined: Feb 19, 2005 Posts: 5043 Status: Offline |
Now that's just crazy talk. ;) I've often wondered why Cutters don't have double-shot, and GF's don't have either triple-shot or Gigantic CB's (as opposed to just Large). Which reminds me....why do we have small/medium/large CB's, yet Proof on alcohol? Shouldn't we have CB's based on pounds, like they actually were referenced when they were in use? small=8lb, medium=12lb, large=16lb, new gigantic for GF=20lb. ---------------------------------------- Epimetheus Retired |
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scupperer
Joined: Nov 28, 2003 Posts: 4335 Status: Offline |
Not really. Adding 3 shots/turn requires much more coding, and would not only make the GF usable in a blockade, but go much further and make it Unstoppable?, and Indispensable?. That's 4 extra shots per turn. That's a lot of damage. Allowing it to use 4 sail tokens per turn, on the other hand, makes it so that if you can actually staff it well enough to generate 4 sail tokens/turn, then there's a true strategic advantage to bringing one out in a blockade. Right now, the hassle for the influence ring is rarely worth it. ---------------------------------------- I believe that we are all, openly or secretly, struggling against one or another kind of nihilism. - Ellen Willis |
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Slurp
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What in the hell are GFs for then? ---------------------------------------- Slurp |
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maisutero
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They're for the pirate who has one of everything else, and poe burning a fiery hole in his/her pocket. ---------------------------------------- Grundie Captain of CoU Mad Scientist of U Troublemaker of M |
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Varthlokkur
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Massive event pillages (theoretical, though see: Whitefire, game-breaking pillage of). Stationary warehouse supply, in practice. Floating barges of goods, in the past (less so now). ---------------------------------------- Vistr of Innocent, of Crimson Tide - Midnight, the grudge-holding ocean |
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Oorlian
Joined: Apr 12, 2004 Posts: 891 Status: Offline |
They're for holding weddings and for burning witches. ---------------------------------------- I make my way across the sea, upon a mighty brig, Searching for something lost to me: a pirate-worthy sig. |
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rixation
Joined: Feb 19, 2005 Posts: 5043 Status: Offline |
I look at it this way. Merchant Brigs < Merchant Galleons < Grand Frigates. When you want to move a hold full of commods...and I mean, a LOT of commods...that's the way to do it. ---------------------------------------- Epimetheus Retired |
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Jacktheblack
Joined: Mar 24, 2004 Posts: 1637 Status: Offline |
Then why don't we have War Brig<War Frigates<Men of War? |
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Oorlian
Joined: Apr 12, 2004 Posts: 891 Status: Offline |
War Brig<War Frig<Man of War<Shippopotamus<Gunwhale, you mean? ---------------------------------------- I make my way across the sea, upon a mighty brig, Searching for something lost to me: a pirate-worthy sig. |
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Foilistc
Joined: Mar 15, 2005 Posts: 1637 Status: Offline |
I would love to see some changes to the ships myself. Adding the following 2 ships would be boss: War Cutter - Same as a normal cutter with the exceptions of 2 shots and a lower hold capacity. Frigate Killer - Same as a War Brig with the exceptions that it uses large shot, has the hull value of a merchant brig and less hold capacity. Foilistc ---------------------------------------- I'm old. I don't look it but I'm beginning to feel it in my heart... |
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Rappak
Joined: Apr 11, 2004 Posts: 2518 Status: Offline |
Uh oh. You mentioned Gunwales... Look out! Thus might start posting Gunwhale pictures again. ---------------------------------------- Rappak, memmer of the oceans. Rappak- Ex-king of Something Powerful (Cobalt)/ex-Lord of Indestructible Fury, a caged free-bird forever. Rappak- Officer in Easily Distracted (Midnight)/Mem helper in CT/Where am I? |
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crazyrandom
Joined: Aug 3, 2003 Posts: 349 Status: Offline |
The Grand Frig is designed as Luxury ship and with good reason, it serves it's purpose well enough as is. If you want a war ship, it's obviously going to have war in the name. ---------------------------------------- Artemis tell you, "Shh don't tell anyone." _________ Fara |
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Christoban
Joined: Jun 10, 2004 Posts: 1201 Status: Offline |
I always thought it would be cool if the GF went back to 2 tokens a turn, but had an absolutely bloody enormous influence ring - like half the board. So if you could get one out into the middle of the board, and keep it up, it would be a huge benefit. But since it's only got 2 moves, it's an easy target, which means it needs escort ships to cover it, like a pair of brigs, or maybe even sacrificial cutters. ----------------------------------------
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Foilistc
Joined: Mar 15, 2005 Posts: 1637 Status: Offline |
A GF with half the board as it's influence ring would, in some instances, have flags covered when it entered the safe zone. Could it sit in that safe zone and soak up points? That would be intersting tactic at the beginning of a round to get some early points and then use WFs to go out and secure the points that were already yours. ---------------------------------------- I'm old. I don't look it but I'm beginning to feel it in my heart... |
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Neph
Joined: May 13, 2004 Posts: 483 Status: Offline |
what about taking it back to 2 moves but allowing slightly bigger balls so Extra large balls and would do more damage in stead of firing 3 balls, Although i would love them to fire 3 balls would be wicked ---------------------------------------- Neph On all Oceans :) |
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maisutero
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How about the grand frigate doesn't fire cannonballs at all, but instead is loaded with cabin persons? For each CP fired, one is randomly ejected from the crew. When the crew is out of cabin people, then you are out of shots. CP ammo does triple damage compared to a large shot, in addition to staining the deck of the targeted ship pink and red. :-) ---------------------------------------- Grundie Captain of CoU Mad Scientist of U Troublemaker of M |
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Bigcheese
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That could be a good way to cull yer crew of all its dormant cp's.... ---------------------------------------- The BIGCHEESE of pirates |
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BehindCurtai
Joined: May 25, 2004 Posts: 12589 Status: Offline |
The Grand War Frig. [size=9]:-) ---------------------------------------- "We're trying to find the error bars on that number"
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Starfaller
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How bout putting tournament boards and parlor tables on Grand Frigs for the ultimate party ship! This could be very beneficial for flag events and even whole ocean events! [size=9]But I do like the idea of shooting the cp's out of the guns-perhaps instead of planking? ---------------------------------------- Synful
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rixation
Joined: Feb 19, 2005 Posts: 5043 Status: Offline |
After the flaming I took here, you may not want to bring that idea up again. :'( ---------------------------------------- Epimetheus Retired |
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