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Basic Bidding Strategy: Part 2

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The A♠ and the two K's are all winners. You may be able to convert the Q♥ or the middling Spades into another trick.

Whitefire's Bid - 3, 4 if you know how to control the A♠

I've seen you refer to controlling/knowing how to play the A♠ a few times in this thread. What do you mean by this?
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jlgijsbers wrote: 
Whitefire wrote: 
Basic Bidding Strategy: Part 2

The A♠ and the two K's are all winners. You may be able to convert the Q♥ or the middling Spades into another trick.

Whitefire's Bid - 3, 4 if you know how to control the A♠

I've seen you refer to controlling/knowing how to play the A♠ a few times in this thread. What do you mean by this?


I'm guessing he means not playing it when you don't have to. A lot of players are reluctant to throw those high spades earlier in the game for fear of being trumphed by the ace. So if you lead out with a lower spade and the next player has the king or queen they may not throw it because they think your partner could have the ace. If your partner is one to pick up on these kinds of things they may throw their high spade to take the trick. But it's still a gamble.
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This hand just rocks.



What did you bid? I'm thinking 6 or 7 based on what the other bids were.


The bids were Nil, Nil (Partner), 2.

I bid 9 and made 11.
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jlgijsbers wrote: 
I've seen you refer to controlling/knowing how to play the A♠ a few times in this thread. What do you mean by this?


The A♠ is the most powerful card in the game. People will avoid tossing high spades and wait out the A's appearance. Knowing this, you can bluff people into letting grab an extra 1-2 tricks with a middling or honor spade.

Another advantage is when you can communicate to your partner that you have the A♠. There are many tells, but the most common is to lead a low spade when you have the A♠. When you and your partner know the placement of the honor cards, you can run a ruff on spades and wipe out your opponents, making a set likely. I can't give a specific example without all 4 hands to analyze, so if I ever stop being lazy I'll put up the tutorial on this.
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Ran into this hand as first bidder. I didn't want to nil because all the suits have 9 or higher as the second lowest card... thoughts?


Edit because picture isn't showing up: 3TJQ hearts, 59TKA clubs, 59JQ diamonds, null spades

I then ran into this hand immediately afterwards (due to only needing 80 points to win and my partner bidding 4, I only bid 4, but I'm curious to know what people think it could make in other situations).
Bids: Left opponent 2, Partner 4, Right opponent 1.


Edit because picture isn't showing up: 3689TK spades, 2A hearts, 2569T clubs, null diamonds

For the people who would like to know how it turned out:

On the first hand I bid 3, my partner bid 6, and we made 11 total. (partner had the spade length)
On the second hand I bid 4 for the win, and we made 12 total, ducking one to the 10 of diamonds to avoid bagging. (partner had a void club suit)
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Whitefire wrote: 
jlgijsbers wrote: 
I've seen you refer to controlling/knowing how to play the A♠ a few times in this thread. What do you mean by this?


The A♠ is the most powerful card in the game. People will avoid tossing high spades and wait out the A's appearance. Knowing this, you can bluff people into letting grab an extra 1-2 tricks with a middling or honor spade.

It seems like this is called a Finesse. More for the glossary.
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On the second hand I bid 4 for the win, and we made 12 total, ducking one to the 10 of diamonds to avoid bagging. (partner had a void club suit)

I'd have bid at least 5-6 on that hand. Its gorgeous.
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Wahhhh!
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Actually, when I suggested it months ago, Cleaver told me not to. So, this time I didn't tell him.

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Wahhhh!


2. The singleton will likely get you a spade trump and the Aspades is a winner.

Worse would be if that singleton was in spades instead.

But yeah, wahhhh.
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But without the Ace, it's an almost perfect nil hand.
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Actually, when I suggested it months ago, Cleaver told me not to. So, this time I didn't tell him.

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Wahhhh!


I hate hands like that. :(
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You can get 2, possibly 3 tricks out of that hand.
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*bumping for re-sticky*

I'll edit this later with a ruffing tutorial.
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I got this hand a couple of hours ago. My partner, Pyro, bid 1 even though he could have nilled along with Missthang. I wish I got the hand at the beginning instead of the score, though. I had the ace, king, queen, jack, and a few more spades, and only one heart.


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This hand just rocks.



If i had this hand, i would bid 8 or possibly 9.
I would try to get into my spades suit asap and by the time you lead the queen of spades, almost everyone at the table will be out of spades, and you can go nuts leading with every spade you have and knowing you will win.

Then after your spades fest, you could possibly win one or two with your queens and king asuming you havn't already used em.
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