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Ahoys, I've been playing with the scene editor and this is what i came up with:

==specifications==
-Design name: CDS-2-1
-Suggested ingame name: Ghanjah
-Max crew: 110
-Max Swabbies: 4
-Hold: 378,000 (kilograms)
567,000 (Liters)
-Stations; Nav 1
Sail 24
Carp 21
Bilge 14
Gunners 8
-Move tokens per turn 3
-Cannon size large
-Cannons aboard 32
-Cannon shots per move 2 per side
-Max Damage: (SF) / (Sink)
Small; 33 / 55
Med; 22 / 36,66
lrg; 26,5 / 32,5
-Kade influence diameter; 8
-Min kade crew; 23
-Max Swabbies (ship transport); 28
-Cost Per League; 280 PoE
-construction costs;
Dubs: 85
Basic Labor; 950
Skilled Labor; 650
Expert Labor; 260
Wood; 900
Iron; 370
Sail Cloth; 500
Tan Cloth; 200
Laquer; 40

It's meant to fill the gap between WF and GF. Ok now the part which might make you drule ^^

Captain's Quarters
http://i670.photobucket.com/albums/vv63/Matthew_Ruthland/CQDhow4shot.png

Main Deck

http://i670.photobucket.com/albums/vv63/Matthew_Ruthland/Dhow4MainDeckShot.png

Upper Galley and BAR! (notice there wasn't a place to drink the rum...
http://i670.photobucket.com/albums/vv63/Matthew_Ruthland/GalleyDhow4shot.png

Lower Galley and Brig
http://i670.photobucket.com/albums/vv63/Matthew_Ruthland/LowestDeckDhow4shot.png

Hope you enjoyed, please give me some feedback!


Switched 3 of the overwide inline images to links since not everyone has a widescreen monitor. - Faulkston

name correction and /e hits Faulkston xP - Cugix
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Love it!
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^---what they said :D

still, not sure what you'd need a brig for(unless you've been taking people you defeat from other ships and tying them to the keel, for lack of a better torture device :D )
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euhm idk... why do ships have chairs? same question you never use them... ofcoarse you could also put lazers inside them
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niice one i like this ship, i think this is gonna be popular in blockades and atlantis.
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Where does the name "Ghajanda" derive from?
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niice one i like this ship, i think this is gonna be popular in blockades and atlantis.


This was actually what I designed the ship for.

 
Where does the name "Ghajanda" derive from?


It's a typo should be Ghanjah, which is a large vessel with a curved stem and a sloping, ornately carved transom. Did some wiki work aswell, and the Ghanjah is the largest known dhow and I don't think we need a ship bigger then a GF.
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Hrm. 32 cannons seems a little overpowered. That's two whole turns of firing as much as you can out both sides without a single reloaded cannon. You get some half-decent gunners (say four gunners who load 2 guns a turn each) and suddenly you'd be able to fire the maximum amount out both sides for three turns in a row (presuming turn 1 and 2, the gunners fill in 8 each turn). Also considering that they're large cannons....
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completely agree with you... I took the avarage of WF and GF think I screwed up some where but it's just a general idea there are more tweeks to be made like I also over did the Captain's Quarters just found out I stuffed it with really expensive props, then again Arab ships are known for thier prestigus CQ's...
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There's 68 stations...but max crew is 110

Is that an error?
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You mean that having 42 lazzers is a problem? Not an error this ship is also ment that we can get rid of that "only jobbing respected or above" stuff. I've heard alot of stories of people saving up for a bravery badge and not being able to get on an SMH because they won't get jobbed. And as you guys see I didn't put in the move token generation rate so the developers are free to make it slower at generating move tokens so the ship's ballanced.
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I don't approve of any new ships that cannot dive underwater.
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I'm not able of summoning the flying dutchman.
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I'm not able of summoning the flying dutchman.
Nice counter post =P
Going back to OP, it is overpowered, I think it should be around 24 as well or else the Grand Frigates would gain less popularity in Atlantis.
Also, the captain's quarter is overly-exotic. Take away the atlantean items and rare familiar tournament items and replace them with exotic piratey-purchasable items might be a better choice.
Yay for another Arabian ship!
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smurfsahoy wrote: 
I don't approve of any new ships that cannot dive underwater.


Since that's so pirate-y and all....

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I'm not able of summoning the flying dutchman.
Nice counter post =P
Going back to OP, it is overpowered, I think it should be around 24 as well or else the Grand Frigates would gain less popularity in Atlantis.
Also, the captain's quarter is overly-exotic. Take away the atlantean items and rare familiar tournament items and replace them with exotic piratey-purchasable items might be a better choice.
Yay for another Arabian ship!


I know I know... I had already scratched a few guns was planning on putting some on the officer deck (raised section at the stern) aswell and where the bar is below deck ^^

Also does annyone know why I can't reopen the files? when i click open and go to the file's folder the file's not there 0.o
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If you did not manually add ".xml" to the file name, it won't show up. Change the File Type dropdown box to all, and it should appear.
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I see that you have put a lot of thought into this. I am not really up to speed with large ships, but do we really need a ship between WF and GF?
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thank you emerson that was a long time head breaker for me

@BobJanova:
i've put some info for you in a row about the WF (left) and the GF (right)

Crew
Max crew: 75 159
Max swabbies: 4 4
Hold
Mass (kilograms): 216,000 540,000
Volume (liters): 324,000 810,000
Stations
Navigation: 1 1
Sailing/Rigging: 18 30
Carpentry: 18 24
Bilging: 12 16
Gunnery: 6 6
Battle Nav
Move tokens per turn: 3 3
Cannon size: large large
Cannons aboard: 24 24
Cannon shots per move: 2 per side 2 per side
Max Damage: (SF) / (Sink)
Small cannon balls: 30 / 50 36 / 60
Medium cannon balls: 20 / 33.33 24 / 40
Large cannon balls: 15 / 25 18 / 30
Blockade
Influence diameter: 8 10
Min crew: 17 29
Swabbie Ship Transport
Max Swabbies: 33 46
Cost Per League: 165 PoE 230 PoE
Construction Costs
Doubloons: 70 100
Basic Labor: 700 1,200
Skilled Labor: 450 850
Expert Labor: 175 350
Wood: 650 1,200
Iron: 250 500
Sail cloth: 400 600
Tan cloth: N/A N/A
Lacquer: N/A N/A

especially if you look at crew and hold section you'll see the GF is double compared to the WF so that's actually a big gap which the Ghanjah could fill.

Edit: CDS-2-2 coming up
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CDS-2-2 done:
- Removed Atlantean funiture and Ringer Egg
- Added Booty chest in Captain's Quarters
- Added Eastern rug in Captain's Quarters
- Removed 2 guns from the main deck
- Removed 2 guns from the galley
- Changed color to Pink/Pink as requested by Galene

not going to post new immages since Photobucket is to slow atm.
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/e can't wait =D
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Great design love the images and I think CDS-2-2 will be even better. However I'm not sure if it is a gap that need filling.

 
Especially if you look at crew and hold section you'll see the GF is double compared to the WF so that's actually a big gap which the Ghanjah could fill.

Edit: CDS-2-2 coming up


WFs are not used for storage, the gap that the Ganjah is filling is between an MG and a GF. The extra cost of a ganjar (with al the laquer) means it will probably come in close to cost of a GF (I haven't done the maths) so I expect that itwill rarely be used asa floating warehouse.

For blockades, with the same influence and fire power as a WF (number of gun station is pretty much an irrelavence in blockades as 4 decent gunners will load al the CBs you need) the extra personel would be best used on another ship, this is why xebecs are rarely used rather than WBs in blockades. I see know reason for not having odd numbers for influenc diameter so making influence 9 could make it an attractive blockade ship (along with xebec 7 and long ship 3).

Not sure about atlantis either it will be rarely used like GFs as they are hard to get jobbers or they will be popular making even more strain on the jobber pool for pillagers.

On a minor note swabbie pay is now 5poe per league each but your pay does seem to make sense (number of swabbies is less than a Wf but pay is more than a GF). I would suggest swabbies 40 resulting in a swabbie cost of 200 per LP.
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/e can't wait =D


but yet you did

http://i670.photobucket.com/albums/vv63/Matthew_Ruthland/CDS2-2CQshot.png


(Color Requested by Galene)

http://i670.photobucket.com/albums/vv63/Matthew_Ruthland/fullscene.png
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http://i670.photobucket.com/albums/vv63/Matthew_Ruthland/fullscene.png
The bilge stations are a bit crammed together too much? What about removing the holes from cannon-less stations? Altogether it's nice =D
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true bilge is packed to gether but that's one of the things I like. As for the gun ports, first of all it would look strange and a-symetrical to get rid of them, secondly it's know that not all gun ports would have guns behind them they were just for intimidiation.
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needs mo hemp
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It's meant to fill the gap between WF and GF.

Oh lord, please no. WFs already screw the economy and jobbing pool up enough as it is.

The ship looks great, it's just that I think it would be a really bad idea to implement. <_<

 
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Unargumented claim... you really got to tell me why.
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Its beautiful... /me drools

EDIT:

There is one thing I would like different about it though. Any chance you could make the stairs from between the second and third masts. Would just make it more central for the XOs of a ship to move around.
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