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Setsusa wrote: 
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That is an awfully solidly stated conclusion drawn from one post. Methinks it might have been smarter to wait and see what phoe said...

/e peers quizzically in Setsua's and Phoe's general direction.

Not worth watch listing.... yet.


I'm bold about my opinions in either direction, I think that you can sit there and make arguments for why Rogue Phoe would post in PM and in thread and why Innocent Phoe would post in PM and in thread and they're going to be fairly similar.

I'm guessing you missed it, but it's Setsusa, not a big deal, just pointing it out for when people go to search later.


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Nalanthi wrote: 
That is an awfully solidly stated conclusion drawn from one post. Methinks it might have been smarter to wait and see what phoe said...

/e peers quizzically in Setsua's and Phoe's general direction.

Not worth watch listing.... yet.


I strongly disagree with this. It is almost always pro-town to take "stated" (solid, clear) positions, which can be attacked and defended. Explaining that an event may indicate a player's innocence or guilt is nothing but filler content, and conveniently leaves the door open to take whatever position one wants later. If a rogue takes solid positions it is more likely to put them in awkward positions than if not.

It doesn't matter that the position arises from what was said in one post, either. If a rogue has actually made a slip, then that's all the evidence the town needs to go after them.

I don't think asking about the night's operation is suspicious (if anything, I think it points slightly towards innocence), for the record. I will remember that the question was asked, and what the reactions to its asking were, though.
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This has been described as a role-and-item heavy game. I think it's significantly more likely than usual that we'll hit an innocent with something shiny if we do lynch Day 1. For this reason, I'm leaning more towards not lynching. I don't get the reasoning behind not voting Abstain, though. Could someone explain?

If I were a roled or itemed Phoenyx, I most definitely would not post that mod question in the thread. Then again, I'm not a Phoenyx at all. It's entirely possible that it's a JMT. It's also entirely possible that she thinks it's such an item/role-heavy game that all innocents have an item/role, so it's not an issue to ask about night actions.

Talisker wrote: 
There's really no good reason for asking in thread, if you're innocent.
This bugs me a little, because Phoenyx gave a reason for asking in the thread.

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I don't think a rogue would so-easily out themselves so early in Day 1.
This also is odd. I don't know why you would call it a rogue outing themselves when she's asking about night actions -- which innocents also have. If you said it doesn't make sense for a roleholder to out themselves, sure. However, I don't think it's so obviously a JMT that you could say a rogue wouldn't "so-easily out themselves".
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There's really no good reason for asking in thread, if you're innocent.
This bugs me a little, because Phoenyx gave a reason for asking in the thread.

I didn't say no reason was provided. There's a conditional and an adjective you're ignoring there.
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Nalanthi wrote: 
That is an awfully solidly stated conclusion drawn from one post. Methinks it might have been smarter to wait and see what phoe said...

/e peers quizzically in Setsua's and Phoe's general direction.

Not worth watch listing.... yet.


I strongly disagree with this. It is almost always pro-town to take "stated" (solid, clear) positions, which can be attacked and defended. Explaining that an event may indicate a player's innocence or guilt is nothing but filler content, and conveniently leaves the door open to take whatever position one wants later. If a rogue takes solid positions it is more likely to put them in awkward positions than if not.

It doesn't matter that the position arises from what was said in one post, either. If a rogue has actually made a slip, then that's all the evidence the town needs to go after them.

I don't think asking about the night's operation is suspicious (if anything, I think it points slightly towards innocence), for the record. I will remember that the question was asked, and what the reactions to its asking were, though.


Agreed. Rogues can always communicate via the rogue docs, unless there's an indie rogue type role anyway. I think I'm disregarding that comment as a sign for the time being.

The person who said they're likely to mix up lynches and bans though, why do you feel that? eyebrow raised thataway. (Dwizzles!!)
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The person who said they're likely to mix up lynches and bans though, why do you feel that? eyebrow raised thataway. (Dwizzles!!)


He did say in this post that he was a ROMS newbie
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Gut.

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Talisker wrote: 
Riku wrote: 
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There's really no good reason for asking in thread, if you're innocent.
This bugs me a little, because Phoenyx gave a reason for asking in the thread.

I didn't say no reason was provided. There's a conditional and an adjective you're ignoring there.

Why don't you think it's a good reason? (I'm assuming here that if she's innocent, she thinks that most/all innocents have a role or item, because that's the only way it makes sense)
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Mads wrote: 
The person who said they're likely to mix up lynches and bans though, why do you feel that? eyebrow raised thataway. (Dwizzles!!)


He did say in this post that he was a ROMS newbie


pfft. YOU'RE a ROMS newbie! #thisjokestartedontwitter.


Serious attempt at posting though, is that something you'd worry about as an innocent?
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Gut.

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I don't get the reasoning behind not voting Abstain, though. Could someone explain?


My understanding of the inner workings of vote totals is shaky at best, but I think an Abstain vote contributes toward the 50% while a no vote does not, so that could be why people prefer to no-vote rather than abstain when they are against a Day 1 lynch.

As usual, I will vote when I'm confident that someone is a rogue; whether or not that will happen toDay remains to be seen.

As to the Phoenix Saga: (see what I did there? But that's Marvel, not DC)

It's Day 1 and we're already dropping not-too-subtle hints about having night actions?



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Serious attempt at posting though, is that something you'd worry about as an innocent?
I think as a newbie, yes. If Dwizzles heard that mixing up lynch and ban is considered suspicious, he'd probably be paranoid about mixing them up regardless of his status. And even if he's a rogue, the game hasn't been going on long enough for him to really have developed a habit of mixing them up, which means he can't know he's more likely to do it as a rogue. So I don't see it as a status-specific worry in this case.

Thus far suspicion-wise I'm looking at Talisker, because he seems to backing off from his original statement about Phoe (from "there's no good reason to do that as an innocent" to "I don't mean to imply that she's a rogue"). To some extent it's just clarifying, but then the addition of
Talisker wrote: 
As to Phoe in specific, the "Suspicious of everyone" is very true to form for her. I don't remember a specific case of C&Ping the player list, but it's just a variation on her standard. I'm not jumping to suspicion, but I don't have a problem watchlisting her.
Reads to me as trying to balance out his earlier moves, in order to not seem as if he is jumping too quickly. Watchlist there.
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That's a surprisingly salient point for so early in the game. There's really no good reason for asking in thread, if you're innocent.

Because it was 3am, I'd already lost one post and hadn't slept at all really in the past 2 days with child coughing his lungs out just as I'd drop off to sleep. You'd be surprised what makes sense in a sleep deprived brain. Not to mention role/item heavy if everyone who has something to post at night PMd that question to our mods, they'd hit that damn PM limit that this forum has.

Then of course there's the other thing that's happened as a result, which whilst not my intention is a happy accident - there's something OTHER than Meta being talked about on day 1.

Take what you will from it, please, watch me closely. I have no problem with that. But please, if you're going to vote for me 3 Days down the track - have something OTHER than my first post to go on.

Thank you for clarification for my questions Mr Moderator.

As to the not voting Abstain, it strikes me as somewhere that the Rogues can hide this game if everyone's spread out, because really, there's never a consensus about voting Abstain. Have to take boy to school now, will be back later - that and the forums are due to go down sometime today and I want this to post unlike my post last night that I lost that I'm still sure I'm forgetting something from.
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The Jokerina, obviously! hehe

A gut vote so early in the game Mrbriney? But the party has just begun! Maybe stay away from the sour cream dip.
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Lynching phoenix for a Day 1 question would be classic town behavior. we both think it frivolous to seek a rogue there.
not saying she's innocent, but thats a brick, not a wall.

Yeah, now will you PIPE DOWN AND LET ME SLEEP! I'VE HAD 12 HOURS WORK AND 5 HOURS OF COMMUTE AND IM UP FOR THE SAME IN LESS THAN 6 HOURS /yell

Will try

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Try to help out a fellow ROMS newcomer=get gut voted. Got it.
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mads0001 wrote: 
kotetsu534 wrote: 
Nalanthi wrote: 
That is an awfully solidly stated conclusion drawn from one post. Methinks it might have been smarter to wait and see what phoe said...

/e peers quizzically in Setsua's and Phoe's general direction.

Not worth watch listing.... yet.


I strongly disagree with this. It is almost always pro-town to take "stated" (solid, clear) positions, which can be attacked and defended. Explaining that an event may indicate a player's innocence or guilt is nothing but filler content, and conveniently leaves the door open to take whatever position one wants later. If a rogue takes solid positions it is more likely to put them in awkward positions than if not.

It doesn't matter that the position arises from what was said in one post, either. If a rogue has actually made a slip, then that's all the evidence the town needs to go after them.

I don't think asking about the night's operation is suspicious (if anything, I think it points slightly towards innocence), for the record. I will remember that the question was asked, and what the reactions to its asking were, though.


Agreed. Rogues can always communicate via the rogue docs, unless there's an indie rogue type role anyway. I think I'm disregarding that comment as a sign for the time being.

The person who said they're likely to mix up lynches and bans though, why do you feel that? eyebrow raised thataway. (Dwizzles!!)


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I agree, that taking solid clear and stated positions is good, when they are warranted. That just seemed like a very um vocal and rapid defense.

I also think that Phoe's question does not indicate guilt. I am more interested in getting people talking and defending their reasoning. I feel like Phoe's explanation there did not merit such a full throated defense from Setsusa, I would rather see Phoe speak for herself. This drew my ..curiosity as I feel that Setsusa is making a broad statement based on limited evidence. I will always challenge statements based on what I think is insufficient evidence.

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As someone who has been listening to their wife talk about this game for literally years, it took me quite a while to get lynch and ban straight. Not saying don't watch Dwizzles, just adding some anecdotal evidence.

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There are 32 people playing. That would equate to 4-5 rogues by standard mafiascum numbers(1:7 ratio). Unless we actually think we have gathered serious information on day 1, that gives us a 16% chance of nabbing a rogue.

Now this is supposed to be a role and item heavy game, I would guess that the town has 3-5 power roles (tracker, doctor, passwordstealer, at a bare minimum). Lets go with 4 as an average. That gives a 13% chance of killing a power role. That is only 3% off from killing a Rogue.

In a game with fewer or no power roles, I think that the town should start lynching from day 1. It is there only tool. In this game, we can be pretty sure they are out there. Let's give them some time to work before we accidentally lynch one of them.

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Crap, so it is superheros and not politics? My avatar no longer fits. Kinda sadfacing on that.

Strange things so far:
  • People seem to have a lot of policies set in stone this game. "I will do this, definitely." It seems vaguely like a way to justify things after the fact (i.e. "Well I told you guys I'd do that!"). Obviously I'm smart enough to expect taelac to lynch anybody who edits by now, but I feel like there's more and more absolutes being thrown around. Part of that has to do with new faces (for me, at least), so I'll chill for now.

    (Note that somebody else mentioned this already, but I wanted to chime in as well.)

  • Furare's posts make me feel like I only have to read half of them (since the other half is in parentheses). That's not really important, though. but srsly that roleplay style is bugging me out >_____>

  • Phoenix -- mod questions tend to read as innocent to me. I'd rather not get into the endless wifom here. I guess I'm leaning towards "frustrated thinking that we had an accidental outing" for now, especially after Searmin's whole "please don't..." post.


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Lynching phoenix for a Day 1 question would be classic town behavior. we both think it frivolous to seek a rogue there.
not saying she's innocent, but thats a brick, not a wall.

What? Why isn't it worth looking?

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Why don't you think it's a good reason?


I've thought about this some while sitting in traffic and for me it comes down to a few things that come to mind here. First, I can't think of a time I'd do the same. Second, in a game naturally inclined to secrecy, doing something for "everyone" and that so blatantly hints at a night action is weird, it's definitely uncommon. So perhaps I just can't think of a good reason, and haven't seen one given. Finally, Elliptic's pretty blatant JMT from last game is fresh on the mind, as well as the fact that he was pretty much never called on it, so I'm a little warier there than usual.
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Gut.
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Nalanthi demands evidence. I mistrust gut. I can create several probable reasons, gut just seems to be a way of saying "I don't want to take the time to figure out what my reasons are" or even "I don't want to bother explaining them to you."

u gib justification, be mai hearty?
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Finally, Elliptic's pretty blatant JMT from last game is fresh on the mind, as well as the fact that he was pretty much never called on it, so I'm a little warier there than usual.


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I've thought about this some while sitting in traffic and for me it comes down to a few things that come to mind here. First, I can't think of a time I'd do the same. Second, in a game naturally inclined to secrecy, doing something for "everyone" and that so blatantly hints at a night action is weird, it's definitely uncommon. So perhaps I just can't think of a good reason, and haven't seen one given. Finally, Elliptic's pretty blatant JMT from last game is fresh on the mind, as well as the fact that he was pretty much never called on it, so I'm a little warier there than usual.

Actually, Rissa voted him for it. But that's beside the point. I certainly wouldn't do what Phoenyx did, but I don't think it's too unreasonable to think that she would with the reason provided.

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Oh, and in regards to quote pyramids - I tend to dislike them. Usually I try to just quote one person at a time, unless it's super relevant that whatever they're replying to is in there.
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Lynching phoenix for a Day 1 question would be classic town behavior. we both think it frivolous to seek a rogue there.
not saying she's innocent, but thats a brick, not a wall.

Will try

#vote:abstain

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You know what, the more I think about this, the more bothered I am by it. And I don't mean in an FoS sense, more a philosophical one. We're less than 12 hours into the game. It's been one of the more interesting openings yet, with actual concrete stuff talked about early in the day. There's been the odd wording from JMR raised, Phoe's possible JMT, and a completely baseless vote from Mr. B, and you pretty much just say it's silly to even look at Phoe, just forget day 1, no rogue hunting to be done here or anything. Just abstain.
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Nalanthi wrote: 
How do we feel about quote pyramids?


Sometimes you need them. Don't forsake clarity just to avoid a pyramid.
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Gunnermooch wrote: 
I can't respond because I do not understand what the hell you are talking about. Sorry.

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riku wrote: 
Goats wrote: 
Crap, so it is superheros and not politics?

I don't believe anybody said that.

I think I read "Gang" and interpreted that as like... the bad dudes that Batman fights. Plus y'all went hard on the superhero avatars, so I extrapolated. SO THERE'S STILL HOPE FOR MY AVATAR? :D

Quote pyramids... I tend to go with just the last quote in the chain, but I think the entire context (provided that you're not quoting Lyaka who's quoting Searmin who's quoting Lyaka) could be useful.
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Nalanthi wrote: 
Nalanthi demands evidence. I mistrust gut. I can create several probable reasons, gut just seems to be a way of saying "I don't want to take the time to figure out what my reasons are" or even "I don't want to bother explaining them to you."

I'm not sure how I feel about the "I can create several probable reasons". Voting on gut alone? Odd. "Creating" reasons to vote? Suspicious.
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