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raabitias



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Re: Cnossos Blockade - Now has nothing to do with Cookiemonstr

*Confused about people supporting this madness*
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Re: Cnossos Blockade - Now has nothing to do with Cookiemonstr

RD, Just for the record.......The taxes were at 5% when I took over. I have not or will not raise them, as I have stated before. Get your facts straight before you start nik picking what I do or don't do. Thank you.....carry on.
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Tee_Beard wrote: 
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I did use a little exagerations there, but the point remains. The strategies Robertdonald employed might not be friendly, but they're certainly not an attack on personal character, they're just "playing the game."


And you could argue, conversely, that words are just words, and only in-game actions seem to matter in this case.

I mean, personal attack on character. Oh, dear, time to commit seppuku, my honor has been tarnished.


You totally missed the point.

Personally, I would rather have 100 war chests dropped on an island I own than have the usually friendly quality of the game dissolve into name-calling and other things one might find in Everquest or Warcraft III .

See, the point is not that an insult hurts so much, but that people do it at all.
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Re: Cnossos Blockade - Now has nothing to do with Cookiemonstr

For some reason, all this back-and-forth reminds me of the Treehouse Of Horror where Bart takes everyone onto Jerry Springer.

Oh -- Dorel: Did you post that bee metaphor because you're in the Yellow Jackets?
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DirtyHole wrote: 
Personally, I would rather have 100 war chests dropped on an island I own than have the usually friendly quality of the game dissolve into name-calling and other things one might find in Everquest or Warcraft III .


This isn't Everquest and Warcraft III, where the forum signal-to-noise ratio is so low you might as well replace with forum pages with the Concise Dictionary of Swear-Words and no one would notice.

Conversely, this game has so little game elements hard-coded into it (compared to EQ and WC3) that a large number of the gameplay, the negotiation and the parley, happen on online fora. It was designed that way.

I'm surprised you consider the game forums separate from actual gameplay. I've always considered Piratical Parley as part of the game -- if you want to participate in the high-level game, learn to play PirPar, or get someone who's good at it to play.

Every flag needs a PR officer. If you don't have one, or if your PR officer is no good, then accept the risk that some things will happen beyond your control.

It's not an honest way to play. It's not a clean way to play. But it's there. Learn to dabble in the muck, or accept the risk that you may end up getting covered in enough ordure that your success rate suffers as a result.
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Tee_Beard wrote: 

I'm surprised you consider the game forums separate from actual gameplay. I've always considered Piratical Parley as part of the game -- if you want to participate in the high-level game, learn to play PirPar, or get someone who's good at it to play.


I don't really like to keep this going, but again, that's not the point. If someone had insulted the person behind Robertdonald online, it would be just as bad as on the fourms, and vice versa.

That done with, all I am saying is that I consider insults to the actual person a worse thing than anything you can do with blockades, which is a game-mediated competition.
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Tee_Beard wrote: 
This isn't Everquest and Warcraft III, where the forum signal-to-noise ratio is so high you might as well replace with forum pages with the Concise Dictionary of Swear-Words and no one would notice.


Should I?

... the forum signal-to-noise ratio is so low ...

Fixed
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BehindCurtai wrote: 
Tee_Beard wrote: 
This isn't Everquest and Warcraft III, where the forum signal-to-noise ratio is so high you might as well replace with forum pages with the Concise Dictionary of Swear-Words and no one would notice.


Should I?

... the forum signal-to-noise ratio is so low ...

Fixed


Damnit. Okay. Sigh. I'll edit it. Thanks.
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DirtyHole wrote: 
I don't really like to keep this going, but again, that's not the point. If someone had insulted the person behind Robertdonald online, it would be just as bad as on the fourms, and vice versa.

That done with, all I am saying is that I consider insults to the actual person a worse thing than anything you can do with blockades, which is a game-mediated competition.


Huh. Weird. You know, I've never really separated players from their characters. Not in this game, and not the way you have.

Maybe that's why a lot of people are so harsh on RD.
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Re: Cnossos Blockade - Now has nothing to do with Cookiemonstr

Just checking in but I see no one has made a valid point yet. Typical thread.
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1_EYED_WILLY wrote: 
Just checking in but I see no one has made a valid point yet. Typical thread.

And well done for adding so much to the discussion.
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1_EYED_WILLY wrote: 
Just checking in but I see no one has made a valid point yet. Typical thread.


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Re: Cnossos Blockade - Now has nothing to do with Cookiemonstr

Second.
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1_EYED_WILLY wrote: 
Just checking in but I see no one has made a valid point yet. Typical thread.


Nos is a girlyman. =)
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hasnt RD earned a ban yet...?
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CrazyMorg wrote: 
hasnt RD earned a ban yet...?


For what exactly?
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chewyshoe wrote: 
CrazyMorg wrote: 
hasnt RD earned a ban yet...?


For what exactly?


oh...he simply tries to ruin the game for people, flags and crews...

other than that i have no clue
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CrazyMorg wrote: 
chewyshoe wrote: 
CrazyMorg wrote: 
hasnt RD earned a ban yet...?


For what exactly?


oh...he simply tries to ruin the game for people, flags and crews...

other than that i have no clue


He does all of this within the rules. (When I say rules, I mean rules made by the developers, not rules which have been created by select players.) So either the rules need to change, or yuo need to accept the fact he isnt going to be banned for those actions.
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chewyshoe wrote: 
CrazyMorg wrote: 
chewyshoe wrote: 
CrazyMorg wrote: 
hasnt RD earned a ban yet...?


For what exactly?


oh...he simply tries to ruin the game for people, flags and crews...

other than that i have no clue


He does all of this within the rules. (When I say rules, I mean rules made by the developers, not rules which have been created by select players.) So either the rules need to change, or yuo need to accept the fact he isnt going to be banned for those actions.


was genocides name directly in the rules?...think
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There isn't so much of a grey area that's open to interpretation, more like about a hundred shades of grey. What Bobdon does is within the confines of the games 'rules' as set out in the terms of sale and other places by the ringers. The grey areas come in where there is a violation of what would be called the spirit of the game. The ToS explicitly states that anything that could be considered 'griefing', that is to wilfully disrupt someone else's fun to further your own enjoyment is not allowed. I think that there are dozens of reasons that are written in these forums every week regarding the behaviour of Robertdonald to warrant action of some kind. He must be the single most talked-about pirate in the game environment, and unfortunately revels in his notoriety. I'd have to agree with Horns that really *something* should be done about the constant problems that he causes and amount he ticks everyone else off, specifically as it falls into the category of playing the game how you want at the expense of anyone else. That's griefing, and it's just plain wrong.

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That "something" appears to be changes to the game itself. Which, in this circumstance, is the correct answer.
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That's interesting. How could you put an in-game mechanism in to stop griefing? We already have /complain and /blackspot, but they (if they've been used) have proven largely ineffectual. What would you suggest Fron?
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rroberts wrote: 
We already have /complain and /blackspot, but they (if they've been used) have proven largely ineffectual.


Ineffectual? Tell that to all the greenies I've seen banned due to my use of them, and the even more who got a whisk to Faraway Island X, and got a nice little name change. It is effective, it's just a shame so many people are afraid to use it.
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No, you misunderstand. I know it works for greenies and such, but I mean that it is obviously not working against RD and his ilk, if it is being used at all. If there has been some punishment handed out that we don't know about for his griefing actions, then let's hear it so we can see that something has been done, and if not, then it's ineffectual. What other game mechanic can be introduced that can deter established players from griefing?

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Seriosuly how has what RD done griefing? I don't think he has done more than 3 blockades a month total max. Correct me if I am wrong about those numbers.

You can't defend your island once a month?
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rroberts wrote: 
That's interesting. How could you put an in-game mechanism in to stop griefing? We already have /complain and /blackspot, but they (if they've been used) have proven largely ineffectual. What would you suggest Fron?

I meant that in this case the fact that it's even possible means something needs to be changed in the design. Such changes are already in the works.

It does no good to ban someone who is technically staying within the rules as anyone else can do it too.
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rroberts wrote: 
The ToS explicitly states that anything that could be considered 'griefing', that is to wilfully disrupt someone else's fun to further your own enjoyment is not allowed.
(My bold)

A dictionary wrote: 
Explicit: precisely and clearly expressed or readily observable; leaving nothing to implication


The ToS wrote: 
[Players may not] engage in any behaviour that is contrary to the 'spirit of the game'


I challenge your statement, Scarab, and contend that it is not supported by the evidence.
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Pegleg_Joe wrote: 
rroberts wrote: 
The ToS explicitly states that anything that could be considered 'griefing', that is to wilfully disrupt someone else's fun to further your own enjoyment is not allowed.
(My bold)

A dictionary wrote: 
Explicit: precisely and clearly expressed or readily observable; leaving nothing to implication


The ToS wrote: 
[Players may not] engage in any behaviour that is contrary to the 'spirit of the game'


I challenge your statement, Scarab, and contend that it is not supported by the evidence.

Umm, but it is "Precisely and clearly expressed" if it says "Players may not" do something, surely? Either that or my English Language qualifications are all nonsense. Perhaps your contention is in whether anything with such a broad term as "contrary to the 'spirit of the game'" can be explicit. I contend that it is contrary to the 'spirit of the game' if a number of people has an issue with it. I also contend that a number of people *do* have an issue with RD's behaviour (not saying I'm one of them or implying anything of the sort) because of the amount of commentary on this community forum regarding said behaviour.

Hope that clears up my point of view here.

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/me coughs and mumbles something about attacking the same player every ten minutes for two hours.
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