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Well where to begin really? I think all the pirates out there who are, or were (due to banning from improper use of the /greet chat), know that there is a problem with the chat system. I think it's a fair consensus that greeter's would like to talk amongst themselves for other purposes than just the greenies. I think to solve this problem there could be a second chat created where pirates won't be shouted at, and talked to in indignant ways, for asking a question, that god forbid didn't come from a greenie. We all became greeters for the same reason, to help. So why is it okay that everyone is so ignorant in the way they speak together? If this second chat can't be created, how about having it mandatory to ask in an appropriate way, other than speaking down to people and making them feel badly because they were stupid enough to think their question was relevant, or they were too stupid to type fast enough to answer before someone else did. Being a greeter should be to help, not to be bullied. I understand it can get annoying, but there is no difference with pirates spamming telling eachother to shut up, or take it to the /tell, or someone simply answering the so called "unrelated" question. I will say that yes, some topics brought up are intirely unrelated, and that is not a problem for me, but still say it in a polite way!

I wrote a petition but they told me to bring it up here. What do you all think?


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Well where to begin really? I think all the pirates out there who are, or were (due to banning from improper use of the /greet chat), know that there is a problem with the chat system. I think it's a fair consensus that greeter's would like to talk amongst themselves for other purposes than just the greenies. I think to solve this problem there could be a second chat created where pirates won't be shouted at, and talked to in indignant ways, for asking a question, that god forbid didn't come from a greenie. We all became greeters for the same reason, to help. So why is it okay that everyone is so ignorant in the way they speak together? If this second chat can't be created, how about having it mandatory to ask in an appropriate way, other than speaking down to people and making them feel badly because they were stupid enough to think their question was relevant, or they were too stupid to type fast enough to answer before someone else did. Being a greeter should be to help, not to be bullied. I understand it can get annoying, but there is no difference with pirates spamming telling eachother to shut up, or take it to the /tell, or someone simply answering the so called "unrelated" question. I will say that yes, some topics brought up are intirely unrelated, and that is not a problem for me, but still say it in a polite way!

I wrote a petition but they told me to bring it up here. What do you all think?


That you should use the Enter button.....

Sorry, im too tired to read it, but i scanned it, i dont think a second cha would be good because, then people would complain that they couldn't use the chat if they werent a greeter. Greeters are there to help greenies, Not to have chats between themselves and feel superior.
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That's exactly what I'm talking about. That attitude. I don't think talking in a separate chat would make us superior when it's not a complicated process by any means to become a greeter. <enter>

All I am saying is that if someone can get blackspotted for swearing, or being offensive, or w/e, that greeters, and the om's that monitor should have some discression, or at least a little tact when responding to unrelated questions/topics in the /greet. <enter>

Also there are several chats out there that not everyone can use, so what's the difference? There's officer, flag officer, greeter. Not anyone can use those.
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I think the best solution to the problem would be not having all eligible player automaticly becoming greeters on greeter pillys, they go and see what thier like and then realize their greeters and start spaming the chat not only with unrelated things but really bad questions I'm tired of hearing things that most of the pirates in my crew could answer that greeters have to ask the rest of us i mean today one guy said " a greenie asked me how he can pilly and i don't know how to answer"
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The point that is always missed when this topic is brought up (and it has brought up at least 2 other times that I'm aware of, and probably more), is that greeters are NOT supposed to be a social club.

A major part of the collapse of the original system was due to people perceiving greeters as an elitist club. Now, it's a lot easier to get into that club with the new system, but it is, nonetheless, a collection of players who tend to behave and have at least 6 months and 200 hours of experience.

We are not made greeters to have yet another chat channel, another social club, and generally have stuff that other players do not have. We are here to work, not socialize.

If you'd like to form a group of greeters that like to chat, you have a few options:

1) Hearty them all, and invite them onto your ships.

2) Start a crew with them. Then you can have all the /crew chat you want :-)

3) Join their flag. Most greeters are officers, so you can swamp /fo with fun social chatter.

I will be one of those who will always oppose a greeter chat channel, even if it is something I can turn off while still remaining on duty. People will INVARIABLY screw up their chat tells onto /greeter, and ask on /greeter why so-and-so isn't social chat enabled.

Don't take this wrong, OP, but the very fact that people are asking for this shows to me that they are not really what we're looking for. It's all fun to be social, but too many people are looking for new features to get around one of the rules of the game. And to me, that means they aren't being greeters for the right reasons... at least to some extent.
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We are not made greeters to have yet another chat channel, another social club, and generally have stuff that other players do not have. We are here to work, not socialize.


I'd have to say I disagree.

We are here to help. That's not necessarily work. It can be fun! And you're also here to socialise, and meet new people- these people will either be people in need of help, or other people who help that might have insight to share with us. A very large amount of teaching is by example, and giving greenies examples of good social behaviour is a big part of being a greeter. :)

Also, you should not be on duty if it feels like work to you. The minute you feel like you're in the middle of a customer support shift, I'd recommend (and I hope any other greeter would, too) that you politely finish any greeting conversations you were carrying on, perhaps finding a new greeter for them, and switch yourself to off-duty. You shouldn't play this game in a way that's not fun.
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Personally I don't mind answering the questions that come up. The problem I have with Greeter chat is the people who try to sell things via greeter chat, the ones who give a detailed account of what they did yesterday and worse - the ones who jump on people for asking questions related to gameplay.

Those who use it to sell things I just flat out complain for innappropriate use - Really, go use the bazaar for selling things, or the inn.

Those who give detailed accounts of their day I send a tell to and complain if they carry on. For a simple reason. With the spam that follows I have missed button tells from greenies - so it's counter productive to have that much chat on that channel. It's also likely to get the OM's to have to speak up and tell you to shut up on there.

Those who jump down the throat of those who ask questions just flat out irritate me though. I've had some doozy greenie questions, and as a couple of people (who shall remain nameless because I've forgotten who they were) regardless of the colour of your name, any question you ask I'll answer if I have an answer for it, usually in a tell if it's on greeter chat, in a tell definitely if it was sent to me in a button or tell, and in general chat if it was asked where anyone could hear it. I have a mind like a steel trap, what goes in never leaves.
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Okay, maybe I came on too strong with the "work" term, but I stand by my assertion that being a greeter is not a status symbol, and does not entitle you to a significant addition in game capability (in this case, another chat channel) that everyone else does not have.

Sure, have fun while helping greenies. I wouldn't be a greeter if I didn't have fun helping greenies. But the greeter chat is not for having fun for the sake of having fun, and that's what it's turning into.

Well, that and a flaming channel of poo. But that's another story.
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Thank you!

I am not suggesting that greeters should become this exclusive club, although the suggestions of the flag/crew, were good from the post above you.

Just because I'm fed up of people being rude, and me being banned for no reason, simply because I was trying to help a greeter, discover if in fact he was a greeter because of some monitor coloring issues he was having.

PP is supposed to be fun, and there are many rules against offenses. If there isn't a second chat to be available, like I said before, simply, can't greeters and the om that are monitoring not be tyrants, and ignorant to those who may also be new greeters. Sometimes, I think we can all agree on this, yppedia doesn't quite answer all the questions. So if a greeter can't help another greeter, then doesn't that kind of contradict the purpose? Just be nice people that's all I'm asking.

Thanks for ur post.


 
Those who use it to sell things I just flat out complain for innappropriate use - Really, go use the bazaar for selling things, or the inn.


That, is an appropriate response to THOSE types of questions. And I agree with you fully, which is what got me taken off greeter. I thought our job was to help? Not to get penalized for it.


When I said a second channel, I don't necessarily mean for mindless day to day chit chat, that would be appropriate for a crew, or a personal tell. Just a place where if a question is feared "inappropriate" which seems to be the case with every question nearly, or needed to be explained more to a pirate with out getting freaked out on. Sometimes one person can't explain in a way where all can understand. Then a group conversation forms in the /greeter and then that's when the offenses start to come.

I enjoyed being a greeter too, I love to help. But that help is what got me demoted.


Forget the second channel, tells are fine. Just why can't greeter's be polite to other greeter's when it is their job!?

And we're not superior in anyway. The suggestion above about not making becoming a greeter as simple as /duty I think would help narrow a lot of this down for people who do chose to use it as a selling point, and as I've seen, gotten away with it.
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Forget the second channel, tells are fine. Just why can't greeter's be polite to other greeter's when it is their job!?

They should be and I vocally oppose any greeter misusing their powers to degrade and insult other greeters. Hence the reason for my crusade. Calm but steady removal of these mean and vindictive greeters will eventually solve the problem.

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me being banned for no reason, simply because I was trying to help a greeter, discover if in fact he was a greeter because of some monitor coloring issues he was having.


See that's a conversation I would have taken to tells to minimise spam for other people, as once it's no longer a one line answer it's time to take it to tells.

But I can understand your frustration. I've been blackspotted before, in the middle of a greenie button and you know what? The person who blackspotted me? I hadn't said anything he could hear at ALL in the past 10 minutes.

Highly frustrating.
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The person and I were talking in tells. I told him I was going to ask a test question in the /greeter so he could tell me if he sees it or not, and then he'd be certain of what he needed to know. He messaged me privately from the beginning. But when I wrote that I chat booched and then I was immediately blackspotted by a OM that was monitoring without them even asking. If it wasn't to help someone I wouldn't have said anything on the /greet as I hadn't the whole 4 hours I was playing prior.

But yes, I'm glad someone understands the frustration.
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me being banned for no reason, simply because I was trying to help a greeter, discover if in fact he was a greeter because of some monitor coloring issues he was having.


See that's a conversation I would have taken to tells to minimise spam for other people, as once it's no longer a one line answer it's time to take it to tells.

But I can understand your frustration. I've been blackspotted before, in the middle of a greenie button and you know what? The person who blackspotted me? I hadn't said anything he could hear at ALL in the past 10 minutes.

Highly frustrating.


Hey, at least you didn't get blackspotted by someone just because they liked to RP a tough...booty. ;)
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So you were banned too huh? Lol I have two months remaining but I sent in a banning plead. I am hard headed mate. It's not a bad thing ;)
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So you were banned too huh? Lol I have two months remaining but I sent in a banning plead. I am hard headed mate. It's not a bad thing ;)


Me? I wasn't ever banned. A blackspot is slightly different- it's essentially an emergency "quiet down!" button for people who do things like swearing repeatedly in public places, or flooding chat.

I had someone... misuse it. Slightly. ;)
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I think the issue with greeter chat that most people miss, is that if you're on a greeter pillage, and thus, have a ship full of greenies you're talking to whilst trying to XO/bnav/puzzle, the last thing you need is another chat channel going a mile a minute making you miss stuff.

Also sometimes I'll be on /duty when I'm bnavving, because I can on a small ship with good jobbers, they're going to puzzle and have a bit of a laugh, greeter chat spam is intensely annoying if you're doing ANYTHING whilst on duty... Not every greeter is standing around on the docks with nothing better to do. Which is why some people get snippy about it, and why I've posted things that may sound harsh at times.

Having another universal chat channel would get a bit much, especially if you're in a large crew/flag that likes to chat a biit anyway...
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Even if they're standing on the dock, they have crew chat and flag officer chat and tells and the chat circle chat to contend with.
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Everyone I think is missing my point. The second chat isn't what is important it was just a suggestion, my issue, is with people being rude.

When I was on duty I wasn't sitting on the docks, I too was doing things. I can understand it gets annoying. I myself, have warned people to take it to tells, but I told them in a way that I'm sure didn't offend anyone.

The initial thing that drove me to trying to get something accomplished, was that issue. The second greeter chat isn't what I'm 'sissy fighting' about. It's the rude behavior, that anywhere else in this game, would be considered inappropriate and report worthy.
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The initial thing that drove me to trying to get something accomplished, was that issue. The second greeter chat isn't what I'm 'sissy fighting' about. It's the rude behavior, that anywhere else in this game, would be considered inappropriate and report worthy.


In greeter chat, it is inappropriate and report worthy as well, and can be complained. The OMs, I believe, can see greeter chat, but they've got a lot else going on at the same time and as such may not always see everything that goes on there. A simple complaint will bring anything that is over the line to their attention. All it takes is a /complain piratename Not ready to be a greeter
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rude behaviour isn't supposed to be tolerated, similarly, ignorance is not an excuse for inappropriately spamming any chat, including greeter chat.

FWIW we had similar issues with /fo at one point in a flag I was in, when people are running frigate pillages, /fospam is just as annoying, and we had officers losing their temper etc etc etc.

spam is spam, and whilst some people act in a way that's way OTT, the initial cause of that is still people not using the chat as intended. Making the requirements to be a greeter tougher would potentially deal with the issue, but then you're heading back to the old system fast. It's a balance, clearly neither system functioned as intended...
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I thought the point of FO chat was to make fun of jobbers while they were puzzling on your frig... I kid.

I think in general the problem with greeter chat is a new greeter will spam in some way shape of form and them proceed to be bombarded with “that is bad/don't do that/check the wiki/take it to tells.” The reason for this is that 20+ people around the ocean all write about the same thing at the same time. The new greeter reacts by defending himself/herself, thus continuing the spam.

Couple solutions:
Make greeter chat by arch, like greenie broadcast was. Minimizing
Auto load the greeter wiki page for first time greeters. (Much like a new portrait)
The greeter test: dictate the responsibility to volunteer greeters with 1000+ hours greetering to ask a couple simple questions to new greeters and make sure they know edict. (I am very against this)
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I agree with everything Emerson had to say.

DB, I agree with a lot of what you said too, but, it's important that people remember that greeters are not here to socialize with each other as greeters. Sure, there's lots of social interaction inherent in doing greeter duties, but that's a nice side effect, and not what greeter powers should be designed around.

I also agree with what the OP said about not needing people to jump on other greeters for asking questions. But I would be stringently opposed to a separate socializing chat cnannel for greeters only - if there were such a thing, it should be open to the entire ocean at large to hop in, if they choose.
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I believe that this second chat can and indeed should be done.

sometimes you are on and nobody in your crew and indeed no officers in your flag are there to talk to. You get bored, you want to talk to somebody. this chat can change that.
It could also be used for those questions that are decided inappropriate for greeter chat.

Those people who are already on duty as a greeter could have the option to /oldsalts (or something similar) to turn on a second chat, (which can be used by putting /os before you type) which could then be used not for general chit chat but for those questions which are often replyed to with "this isn't the chat for that kinda question, mate" etc etc. Spamming and trying to sell things would still not be permitted, although asking for jobbers would be a possibility, and would result in a complain or possibly a blackspot, just like anywhere else.

It would also allow people who have played the game for a while a chance to meet and as such befriend others who are of a similar standard.

Now, onto the spamming and bad behaviour on greeter chat.

 
It's the rude behavior, that anywhere else in this game, would be considered inappropriate and report worthy.


Jassye is right. many people with greeter chat spam etc and get away with it many times, if not every time. I believe that if one person is to get reported by every other greeter online we could put a stop to it.

Maybe have a new /greetercomplain (/gcomplain) or something which is only to be used when someone is misusing the greeter chat, and as such OceanMasters could check up on it easily and decide for themselves if the person in question has spammed once too many.
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sometimes you are on and nobody in your crew and indeed no officers in your flag are there to talk to. You get bored, you want to talk to somebody. this chat can change that.
It could also be used for those questions that are decided inappropriate for greeter chat.



Would it not be better to just make a public social chat then and not a second greeter chat? A chat for the whole ocean, greenie, regular player and greeters alike? I think some players once they leave the greenie stage still have plenty of questions any ways, and silly stories and everything else. And make it a channel that can be turned on and off.

I"m not a greeter, but I assume greeters are there to help greenies and not socialize amongst each other. Other games have varying other names for these people and limited to extended responsibilities. This game allows you to run a pillage where greenies get money up front and no one else does, and from what I"ve noticed from one of my crews running them, a bit higher pay out and a much higher commodity intake.

Just respond to greenie questions politely and HELPFULLY (I've been on the wrong end of the non helpful department), and hearty other greeters and use the /tell to communicate. OR get in a more active flag/crew. If your using the greeter channel because your lonely.....well.....how is that helpful to new players.
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sometimes you are on and nobody in your crew and indeed no officers in your flag are there to talk to. You get bored, you want to talk to somebody. this chat can change that.
It could also be used for those questions that are decided inappropriate for greeter chat.



Would it not be better to just make a public social chat then and not a second greeter chat? A chat for the whole ocean, greenie, regular player and greeters alike? I think some players once they leave the greenie stage still have plenty of questions any ways, and silly stories and everything else. And make it a channel that can be turned on and off.

I"m not a greeter, but I assume greeters are there to help greenies and not socialize amongst each other. Other games have varying other names for these people and limited to extended responsibilities. This game allows you to run a pillage where greenies get money up front and no one else does, and from what I"ve noticed from one of my crews running them, a bit higher pay out and a much higher commodity intake.

Just respond to greenie questions politely and HELPFULLY (I've been on the wrong end of the non helpful department), and hearty other greeters and use the /tell to communicate. OR get in a more active flag/crew. If your using the greeter channel because your lonely.....well.....how is that helpful to new players.


i second a oceanwide channel :D
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Greeter chat is pointless in its current state - every question asked on it gets the reply "is this rly a greenie question?" or "check the wiki". If someone is on a voyage and suddenly needs to know some basic game question that a jobber (not a greenie button) has asked them, checking via greeter chat is a better, and simpler, solution than switching out to a browser and searching the Wiki.

A global help channel would be much more useful. It would work similar to the greeter channel, except you'd actualyl be allowed to ask game related questions in it without 10 different people sending unclickable links to the wiki. don't want to see it? Switch it off (actually I never understand why people who don't want to see greeter chat don't just mute it anyway).

I don't see the point of a public social chat but somewhere for non-greenies to ask simple game questions seems like a good idea to me.
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Although in theory a global channel would be nice, in practice it'd be hell. The /fo channels gets bad enough and thats only with very few pirates (less than 20 in most cases). Here we'd have 300-1000 pirates; all talking at once, full of spam and people trying to sell stuff. Huge paragraphs of nonsense and outrageous amount of L33t Sk1llz. There'd be so much work for moderation that OMs would go insane. Not to mention that it would potentially waste their valuable time. Sorry but I must say no to it.

However, I do feel the greeter chat is simply broken. I will never forget the time I was talking with a Brazilian greenie who had just made his pirate/account, but unfortunately couldn't speak much English (and my Portuguese was only good enough to tell him "wait until I get someone who can help you"). So I used the greeter chat and said : "Is there anyone here that speaks Portuguese? I have a greenie that needs help but he's struggling with English". This was followed by 4 people , 2 in tells and 2 in the chat, telling me I was misusing the greeter chat, that the chat is not the place to ask such questions. Now if that's not what the greeter chat should be used for, I don't know what is. I certainly wanted to bang my head against the computer.

I don't understand what's the point of being a greeter if you are going to act like that. Allowing pretty much everyone to become a greeter was a big mistake. :/
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Does a greenie ever get helped???

Just wondering...

Always wondered how come any pirate needing 'help' to Help a greenie is not considered Greenie help.

Unclickable Links:
Links to forums/wikki/yppedia NEVER have 'worked' for me ..

as a destination in my browser.. or as a response.

Certain connections do not hold up well with both the client and the browser up ..either for the Greeter or the Greenie.


Then there is 'How do you copy that?' from the client? what's a client?- or -'Wait!!!, I need a pen cause I disconnect when I change the chat type.' and 'Oh, I can get it from my chat later?? Whats a Chat log? Where's that?'

( I had a wonderful captain who gave me tons...all led to error pages.)

Besides , isn't that a bit AHEAD of where a Greenie is??

'What's a Wikki?? Why can't you just tell me?!'

I think the term *old*'Wikki' itself is confusing as It is called YPPEDIA in Game Titles and Headers.

Perhaps we need Ye Panel Training sessions similar to Ship Trips.


Perhaps..with the new Puzzle Tab and the new 'Floating Head Bubble Chat New Pirate Training Format' and Adventures..
there will be a lot less Need for Greeters anyway.


Just a thought...
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ZOMG -

 
However, I do feel the greeter chat is simply broken. I will never forget the time I was talking with a Brazilian greenie who had just made his pirate/account, but unfortunately couldn't speak much English (and my Portuguese was only good enough to tell him "wait until I get someone who can help you"). So I used the greeter chat and said : "Is there anyone here that speaks Portuguese? I have a greenie that needs help but he's struggling with English". This was followed by 4 people , 2 in tells and 2 in the chat, telling me I was misusing the greeter chat, that the chat is not the place to ask such questions. Now if that's not what the greeter chat should be used for, I don't know what is. I certainly wanted to bang my head against the computer.


'tis not the chat that's broken

In any global game (even the one with cute pets) language barriers can hurt a new player's ability to learn - I played with a group there where we all knew who had which languages, or used Babelfish simply to help.
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However, I do feel the greeter chat is simply broken. I will never forget the time I was talking with a Brazilian greenie who had just made his pirate/account, but unfortunately couldn't speak much English (and my Portuguese was only good enough to tell him "wait until I get someone who can help you"). So I used the greeter chat and said : "Is there anyone here that speaks Portuguese? I have a greenie that needs help but he's struggling with English". This was followed by 4 people , 2 in tells and 2 in the chat, telling me I was misusing the greeter chat, that the chat is not the place to ask such questions. Now if that's not what the greeter chat should be used for, I don't know what is. I certainly wanted to bang my head against the computer.



That's appalling. Shame on them.
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