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1) Greenies sometimes strike up conversations with NPPs.
2) There are a small number of questions which greenies ask a lot.

Idea: Add some sub-Eliza-level conversational skills into the NPPs. This would be simple keyword-identification, producing a canned response. This would give inappropriate responses a lot of the time, but that's okay: they're supposed to be idiots.

Examples:

"Hello", "ahoy," "hi", etc: "Ahoy, matey. I'm surprised ye'd like to chat with a poor daft non-player pirate such as meself. Now, the pirates with yellow and green names, they're real people, with wits to match."

Any phrase containing a curse word: "Belay that, matey. They run a tight ship around here, and don't take kindly te such language."

"money": "Lookin' fer plunder, eh? Take a peek at the notice board blah blah..."

"you", ended by a question mark: "Me? I've the wits of a cannonball, and I'm near-deaf besides. The pirates with yellow and green names blah blah..."

"help": "In the Ye tab blah blah... The pink-named pirates are greeters blah blah..."

"fight": "Ye can challenge another pirate to a duel by blah blah..."

"buy": <basic shoppe information>

...and so on.
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"What makes you think I'm a pirate?"
"Tell me more about your Arrrrr!"
"Hmmm... interesting."

(I think this is a great idea!)
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Aye that would be great! I've seen a few greens do that myself and I almost feel bad telling them they're talking to a computer player...
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Don't forget pink and blue names.

/em envisions greenies bugging the OM's with trade requests and chalenges
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Jothmar wrote: 
Aye that would be great! I've seen a few greens do that myself and I almost feel bad telling them they're talking to a computer player...


Wouldn't having NPPs respond more naturalistically delay greenies' realization, leading them to talk to NPPs even longer?
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I've seen very long one sided coversations... congradulateing them on a good fight, asking them if they want to fight again, asking them where they're from... and just completely ignoring the fact that the NPPs dont' respond. I do believe that if the NPPs responded by telling them that they weren't good people to talk to that that would help not hurt the problem.
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Perhaps an explination when ye make landfall from the tutorial would help. Just a quick popup that explains who's real and who's not. I don't remember if it's explained in the tutorial itself but then again, some people just skip it anyway.
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It is explained in the tutorial. I'm all for pointing and laughing at people who talk to the bots, but in the interests of education, having them eventually explain that they're bots wouldn't hurt either.
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technically, the tutorial only says 'spring loaded whirligig pirates' - obvious to anyone who's ever played an online game before ever, but some people havent, or seem to have forgotten that they have.
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Man, now I have to do the tutorial again. I'm almost positive there's a thing in there that explains what the different colored names mean.

Although maybe I'm thinking of the docs. Feel free to point and laugh at me now.
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I like the idea, you have my vote Argonaut.

Regards Seasnake

By the way; Has anyone seen that old man from Oyster Island lately?
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You know what? I don't think there's any stupid man on any stupid Oyster Island.

(I *know* I saw one of the bots say something like this...the wording is probably wrong.)
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You know what? I don't think there's any stupid man on any stupid Oyster Island.


The man's a master of disguise and camouflage. Don't ever underestimate the power of the Man From Oyster.

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bokodasu wrote: 
Man, now I have to do the tutorial again. I'm almost positive there's a thing in there that explains what the different colored names mean.
Although maybe I'm thinking of the docs. Feel free to point and laugh at me now.


Nah, the first time a greenie enters the inn it explains the differences between white/yellow named characters. That is, if he hasn't turned off the help yet
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There is a man on Oyster island. He lives in that hut, and the door is locked.
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I thought the topic was NPP's back-talk.
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Those would be better things to have the NPPs say to stop conversations with them, right?
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Wouldn't having NPPs respond more naturalistically delay greenies' realization, leading them to talk to NPPs even longer?


I'd thought about that, which is why I suggested that the responses to greetings and to "you" questions -- basically, anytime the greenie expresses interest in the NPP -- give a respone indicating that the NPP is not human. (My wording might not be the best, but you get the idea.)

I think this is better than the current system: greenies could interpet a totally silent NPP as a taciturn or standoffish person.
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I just thought up a cool new dock-game you could play with this: Swabbie Taboo. A bunch of players stand in a circle with an NPP and try to engage in a normal conversation. But anytime someone says something which triggers a quote from the swabbie, they're knocked out of the game.
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homullus wrote: 
Wouldn't having NPPs respond more naturalistically delay greenies' realization, leading them to talk to NPPs even longer?


Ignorance is bliss.

I like this idea, i'd very much like to see an NPP named "Deaf Jack" who replies to everything with...

"WHAT?!? speak up sonny."
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I like this idea, i'd very much like to see an NPP named "Deaf Jack" who replies to everything with...

"WHAT?!? speak up sonny."

Great, so we're going to encourage them to talk to computer constructs AND to shout a lot? What's next, telling them that "asl" is the standard piratey greeting?

We could also have the Navy NPP's tell them "Top down!" in sea battle.



Are you SURE you don't know Mike Nikells?


Ok, all seriousness aside, it would be fun for them to say more stuff, maybe even have some of it keyed to the nature of the statement, but considering how much action those NPPs get, it affects a pretty small percentage of the ocean population.
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Also when someone says "cyber" or some sort of sexual reference to an NPP they should always say "Prepare to be boarded!"

...always.
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I sort of approve of the idea...I'd have to see it implemented though to see if I'd like it, and once it was implemented it really wouldn't matter whether or not I cared for the concept, so...yeah.
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Perhaps in conjunction with responding NPPs in Adventure Islands. I wouldn't expect it before then, since, as Homullus said, it's a very small effect for the effort.
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You need a List v2.0 just for Adventure Island things.
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I think this is a pretty cool idea...just to see how many stupid things you could ask it before it told you to $%^& off...lol joking. But seriously though, I think for new players, it could be used as pretty much a chewtoy to keeo them busy until they realize that nobody is gonna give them free money! ;-)... Anyhoo, it would be a bit gimmicky, except in the case of adventure islands. I have a half-formed idea involving a program that someone made...

Check this out, it is pretty cool.:
Conversagent

And once you've looked around, they have a demo,
So go to the home page, and click the 'Demo the ASA Solution' (don't worry, no download required)

Alternately, for those of you who have IM's like MSN, ICQ, or AOL Messenger, you can add it as a contact.

smarterchild@conversagent.net

Don't try to get too deep into conversation with it, as it doesn't have that many actual responses, instead it has surveys, quizzes, hangman, etc. You will probably run into a dead end. But feel free to insult it! (Just don't insult it too many times or it will demand an apology)

I imagine that OOO design could buy it and tweak it so that 'piratey' messages were programmed in.

Even if you don't like the idea, still try it out...it is uncanny.
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You do realize that comparing that to "tweaking" is like comparing driving from New York to San Francisco as a "Sunday drive", right? ;)
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Wait wait wait,,, I thought this was my job.

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I still talk to the bots that have my RL name, since most of them start with Stinky or Ugly. One of these days, I'm going to get them for all the character defammation.
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