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BootHook
Joined: Sep 16, 2005 Posts: 1872 Status: Offline |
I finally found another Ult in the Rumble Top-10 list, that can record videos at a decent quality! So we made Rumble videos where you can see both sides at the same time. Hopefully this will help people figure out what their attacks look like on their opponent's screen. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=do7NFWCwf7s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQpJTr5Yeik http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8vQ0xuzAGE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e95bZQqjRCk P.S. The only problem is that the videos are a bit blurry in full-screen mode. Is there something I can do to the videos so that they show up better in full-screen mode? Maybe I could encode it in a better codec or something? - ---------------------------------------- Bug: Fix the multi-row sprinkles in Rumble Rumbling Guide 1 Rumbling Guide 2 Rumble Videos |
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Shuranthae
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*giggles* Next time don't cut out your opponent's mini. It'd be interesting to see what the delay between one's screen and what another sees in the mini is. |
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Burnt_Water
Joined: May 16, 2006 Posts: 2864 Status: Offline |
What video capture are you using? I've found Camstudio works very well. ---------------------------------------- Hard and big guide to whack off Brigands How to make a pirate feel good |
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McGarvery
Joined: Feb 11, 2006 Posts: 1338 Status: Offline |
Watching this guy work, I key up on a few major things. 1. This guy has great visual acuity. The time it takes him to find his next shot is VERY small, and those slivers add up. 2. He makes controlled shots and he adds bruises. This guy obviously knows the best way to hurt his opponent. 3. He always keeps a combo link or two so if things get out of hand, he can smash his combo. 4. He does a GREAT job of reversing the tempo: Every time he is struck, he starts making strikes to push the fight back on the opponent. There are probably many nuances that I didn't notice, but he confirms many of the over-arching concepts that I have held as important when rumbling: - Decision speed - Controlling your attacks - Making them count - Staying in control of your pattern I would like to see how this ult reacts to other players myself. |
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Cappy_Joe
 Joined: Aug 10, 2006 Posts: 438 Status: Offline |
Some things people ignore is the pc. My pc blushes seeing that smoothness. If you don't have the correct tools, you'll never make it to the top. And having said that, I'm amazed to see how fastish people can get :D ---------------------------------------- People are crazing out, they focus on hatred and jealousy. What's more is that the rest just use the current state as an excuse to join the norm. I just wish hatred halts, and jealousy stops: we are far more than just lucky to be alive... |
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McGarvery
Joined: Feb 11, 2006 Posts: 1338 Status: Offline |
Indeed... dirty mouse-balls is another no-no. If you want to reach the top, a clean, effective mouse is a must. |
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gogu123
Joined: Jun 4, 2007 Posts: 186 Status: Offline |
I just hope that "this guy" is me :-). The only excuse I have for the mistakes made is that I've played BH and that was 3am... I would like to see more bludgeons in action so I guess we'll try to make more video's. Boothook will keep you informed. GG Gogu ---------------------------------------- GG Gogu on Midnight SO of Greeced Fists, the best rumble team on this ocean Gogu on all the other oceans, rumble master and treasure drop extraordinaire |
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BootHook
Joined: Sep 16, 2005 Posts: 1872 Status: Offline |
Having all 4 minis would make the video super blurry on full-screen mode. Would it be better to only show the 2 opponent mini-screens, or would that be totally confusing? Is there software that would allow me to move the mini screens to different positions of the video? If I could move the mini-screens around, then I could fit all 4 of them on the screen at the same time, and the video should look better than it does now.
I'm using Hypercam 2. I tried a couple other capturing software programs, but they super lagged my computer. The actual Hypercam 2 avi looks great. The problem is that when youtube processes the video, it turns it a bit blurry.
Yay! ---------------------------------------- Bug: Fix the multi-row sprinkles in Rumble Rumbling Guide 1 Rumbling Guide 2 Rumble Videos |
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Loren_S
 Joined: Mar 23, 2006 Posts: 610 Status: Offline |
Thanks boothook for the videos. Great work! I started to explain them under http://yppedia.puzzlepirates.com/Rumblevideos_explained. Please give me some hints which strategies and technics at which points in the videos should be detailed a bit. So far I just came to explain the strike mechanic. By that the strikeresults and the pattern in the wiki for the bare fists (second strke) do not match. What is wrong there? ---------------------------------------- CoatOSilver, Captain of Forget About It, King of ©©©, Sage |
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BootHook
Joined: Sep 16, 2005 Posts: 1872 Status: Offline |
I'm not using fists in that video. I'm using ropes. The most important thing to comment on is the goodness of sprinkling early in the game, as it is underused by many of the Ults. Sprinkling early keeps the board from getting mashed from your opponent's next strike, it helps you set up your strikes, and it throws a shield wall on your opponent's screen that can block their groups. ---------------------------------------- Bug: Fix the multi-row sprinkles in Rumble Rumbling Guide 1 Rumbling Guide 2 Rumble Videos |
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SilveRansom
Joined: Apr 16, 2006 Posts: 3826 Status: Offline |
In simpler words, mix up your attacks and keep things unpredictable, all the way through. Each attack has its use. ;D ---------------------------------------- Silveransom sells art like this or this |
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McGarvery
Joined: Feb 11, 2006 Posts: 1338 Status: Offline |
Aye, I agree. One advantage from starting a fight with clears, is getting that initial layer of garbage off from the line-drops. If ye want to open with a big, hard strike, which can be effective againt some players, I recommend at least clearing the junk far enough so you can rig the deepest layer with charges. This has added advantage that additional line drops or enemy strikes can add significantly to your swing. But if ye plan on doing nothing but short strikes the whole fight (Blackjack) ye can combo just as easily on the pieces ye start with, and clearing just removes those additional easy-to-set 3 and 4-strikes. Clearing it will steal some of your early-game thunder by forcing you to build some of your own links. Ye might as well remove em' by small combo and force a couple more strikes... People develop patterns from what works... and I'm not surprised that the blackjack community has foregone early game sprinklin', since they almost derive more benefit from leavin' that trash there. Anyway. :3 |
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BootHook
Joined: Sep 16, 2005 Posts: 1872 Status: Offline |
You can't open the game with a large strike anymore, because a max width 4-group combo will completely destroy any combo that you are building. You can't open the game with sprinkling, because that will give your opponent too much time to build max-bruised strikes. Remember that sprinkles are scaled in the beginning of the game, so you really won't be denting your opponent by starting the game with sprinkling. ---------------------------------------- Bug: Fix the multi-row sprinkles in Rumble Rumbling Guide 1 Rumbling Guide 2 Rumble Videos |
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Shuranthae
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That's not technically always true. There was this one game where I sent a guy two max bruises 4 combos in a Skull Ring Trinket tourney and I as I was about to send a third he sent me a 12 or so row full width strike. Granted, it's pretty rare for a standard 4 combo full width strike to not mess up one's combo but it can happen. |
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gogu123
Joined: Jun 4, 2007 Posts: 186 Status: Offline |
Just to make things clear, BootHook is on the right. ;-) Loren, great work. I never took the time to look at all the details of the rumble mechanics and maybe I should. On the other hand, be aware that a detailed analysis will be overkill for most top average players (how many gm's and leg's have read BH's Guide?) The details themselves are again less important than the techniques and strategies derived from them. A step further of course is to be consistent in applying them (which unfortunately I'm not) while playing at the highest speed. That's where the true top 5 ult's shine and if u make a couple of mistakes against them there's for sure no way to turn back the game. My BJ is tan/tan and if BH can provide the colors of his ropes (my guess tan/grey) you can copy the patterns from any shipyard to make the pattern images and your video shots consistent. GG Gogu ---------------------------------------- GG Gogu on Midnight SO of Greeced Fists, the best rumble team on this ocean Gogu on all the other oceans, rumble master and treasure drop extraordinaire |
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BootHook
Joined: Sep 16, 2005 Posts: 1872 Status: Offline |
There is a section in the new guide that explains that. I swear the new guide is making forward movement.
Yeah, those are the colors of my ropes. They are the bestest colors evar. ---------------------------------------- Bug: Fix the multi-row sprinkles in Rumble Rumbling Guide 1 Rumbling Guide 2 Rumble Videos |
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Loren_S
Joined: Mar 23, 2006 Posts: 610 Status: Offline |
Sorry was hard to see and explains why the patten does not match.
From the droppatten your BJ is tan/brown. :) I put in the correct droppictures in the wiki-article now.
Nor did I. I took the opportunity of those videos to do so. After I had the pictures I decided I could put them in the wiki.
I don't intend to analyze every strike and sprinkle but I had to start somewhere. So I begin with some basics and hope to get on fast to the more tactic and strategic things. But would need help in you pointing them out in the videos. Some things I want to mention: - sprinkle mechanic (including 1/2 volume in the beginning) (Thats in fact not fully clear to me. If someone can explain it please do so) - boarddrops - using the borders to bounce balls - cleaning the board Anything more? And if you see some good examples in the videos point them out (this time within vidoe X). ---------------------------------------- CoatOSilver, Captain of Forget About It, King of ©©©, Sage |
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BootHook
Joined: Sep 16, 2005 Posts: 1872 Status: Offline |
5 more side-by-side videos have been posted. These 3 are a bit difficult to view, but there aren't many Ults willing to video their matches, so you really can't be picky. Due to the weird angle of the other player, I was able to fit both mini-screens from his view of the board. If you don't like that, then blame Shur, as she was the one that wanted that. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXcLzez7_yc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfSARQNdOC0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PiCzkjp27U Here are 2 normal-view videos. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqhGdGchELI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aot8bz9Ncaw ---------------------------------------- Bug: Fix the multi-row sprinkles in Rumble Rumbling Guide 1 Rumbling Guide 2 Rumble Videos |
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taelac
Joined: Sep 17, 2005 Posts: 2946 Status: Offline |
I've gotten a new computer since you last asked me to do video, Boot - it should be able to handle it, if you'll help me figure out how, and we can match up blocks of time. I'm only playing you unrated for videos, though, or I'll end up able. :P ---------------------------------------- ~Taelac Paying for grad school! http://www.zazzle.com/Taelac* |
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BootHook
Joined: Sep 16, 2005 Posts: 1872 Status: Offline |
Yay! ---------------------------------------- Bug: Fix the multi-row sprinkles in Rumble Rumbling Guide 1 Rumbling Guide 2 Rumble Videos |
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hfsktr
Joined: Jul 19, 2006 Posts: 207 Status: Offline |
i didn't realize that my videos would look that crappy lol but i attribute a little to youtube. it doesn't look that terrible on my camera. very fun watching what my attacks look like. ----------------------------------------
If you see K... |
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Dominator137
Joined: Dec 19, 2005 Posts: 1313 Status: Offline |
Much thanks to hfsktr and Gogu for being willing to video themselves to share with the lesser rumblers out there, and for being daring enough to take on BootHook. BootHook, mate, you've been doing amazing work dissecting rumble for those of us who aren't as quick as yourself ever since it came out. You were the first (at least that I saw) to have a guide out, and a guide with the mechanics of a game so early after its release. All your contributions have proved invaluable. ---------------------------------------- Viridian - Domzx, Senior Officer of The Devil's Own Member of Regnum Irae
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McGarvery
Joined: Feb 11, 2006 Posts: 1338 Status: Offline |
I gotta ask, though mate... How many matches have ye played to get that many videos of you winning? o.O |
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BootHook
Joined: Sep 16, 2005 Posts: 1872 Status: Offline |
I posted all of the videos that were sent to me. ---------------------------------------- Bug: Fix the multi-row sprinkles in Rumble Rumbling Guide 1 Rumbling Guide 2 Rumble Videos |
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McGarvery
Joined: Feb 11, 2006 Posts: 1338 Status: Offline |
XD; That's a polite way to dodge the question, Ispose. |
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DreadedChris
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Boothook plays rumble for much of the time that he's on YPP, has been playing it heavily since it was released, and has been recording his fights for a lot of that time. I'd say he's probably played tens of thousands of fights. I'm sure he hasn' counted. :O ---------------------------------------- ~< The Dread Pirate Chris >~ |
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gogu123
Joined: Jun 4, 2007 Posts: 186 Status: Offline |
Did I ever win against BH? Yes, maybe a couple of times. Did we ever record any other matches together? No. We played 4 matches one night (the ones in the 4 videos). I was buggered that I didn't win at least one of them, but that was not the point I guess. They're supposed as examples and not to glorify BH (I don't anyways ;-)). How many matches has he played against his alt to discover all the things behind the strike and sprinkle calculations so I don't have to? I really like your analysis and rumble insights McG, but maybe it's time to put your poe where your mouth is, and see how that goes... By the way, I'm back. Gotta find a friend with a shipyard to borrow some bludgeons and can do some more "Maybe Gogu is winning some" matches. ---------------------------------------- GG Gogu on Midnight SO of Greeced Fists, the best rumble team on this ocean Gogu on all the other oceans, rumble master and treasure drop extraordinaire |
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hfsktr
Joined: Jul 19, 2006 Posts: 207 Status: Offline |
we played four matches but for some reason one wouldn't work when i tried uploading it...he won all four anyway. i really wish my bone hadn't dusted the night before. i think i might have had him if only i had my bone hehe ----------------------------------------
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Dominator137
Joined: Dec 19, 2005 Posts: 1313 Status: Offline |
McGarvery, I've seen you post a lot of analysis on Swordfighting and Rumble both. Believe me, any kind of analysis is appreciated, and the shot-by-shot breakdown was very nice. However, I've never heard much about your actual Swordfighting or Rumbling ability, nor have I see you willing to respond to the numerous challanges that come your way, or to make a video of yourself playing either game. I don't know why that is. If you have the expertise to correctly make the evaluations you frequently attempt to make, putting up a decent fight shouldn't be that much of a challange. Why don't you get a video of BootHook losing to you, since you're so determined to see one? The point here is, play and analysis are two entirely different things. You make some good observations, but I'm inclined to take a lot of things you say with a grain of salt, due to your lack of "putting your money where your mouth is". Really, no one is expecting you to be #1, as long as you know what you're doing. Videos are very helpful, you like helping people, so make some. As for BootHook's reply, he politely answered the question, which was a blatant personal attack. There was no dodging, and the question itself was in no way polite. ---------------------------------------- Viridian - Domzx, Senior Officer of The Devil's Own Member of Regnum Irae
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BootHook
Joined: Sep 16, 2005 Posts: 1872 Status: Offline |
I had a high win rate over a year ago when I wrote the Rumble guide, which might help answer McGarvery's question. Keep in mind that I am not a practice-based learner, in the sense that I don't get better with practice. Instead, I am a theory-based learner, as I get better by hemming and hawing over a retarded amount of theory. ---------------------------------------- Bug: Fix the multi-row sprinkles in Rumble Rumbling Guide 1 Rumbling Guide 2 Rumble Videos |
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