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I can't run 3DSMax on this poor old computer, and I'm sure a lot of you can't get it, either. So, I'm going to make this pre-entry discussion thread to help me stall more efficiently until the 10th and give those who can run 3DSMax a central location to find my Rheggshells. For those of you who like 30 rough drafts as well, come in and post your own eggshells.
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Double posting? :O Actually this is on purpose to separate my eggs from the explanation above.


My first idea is the obvious answer to the Rhegg: The Ghysegg.



I did say I'd use the frowny face. >.> I posted a smiley one, too. Pick your favorite! As you can see, I'm now making an attempt at more detail, all of which may be lost in the render. At the very least, my muffin hat has a wavy brim.

Secondly and once again, I have made a "Suck up to OM" egg.

Hopefully, this one doesn't end up a towhead, too. Apollo isn't that high-contrast of a pirate. The hair's a lot darker, though. My theory is that line on the top of his head will wrap around and make a cowlick. Here's hoping my spatial awareness skills aren't as able as I think they are. >.>

Thirdly, because I can never avoid an obscure joke, I'm planning on entering a Chaliced Smurf. My main concern is the copywright issue. Would it be better if I made this one Olive skinned like Schtroumphe?


And finally, just to prove that Rheggs are so last year, here's my experimental Ghost Rhegg.

Yes, it's semitransparent. My main concern with this one is the yolk placement. I'd like it to be in the center of the model and not just the skin. The second concern is whether or not I'm even allowed to make see-through eggs. I'm sure I can fake it, but it won't look right on every floor. >.>
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Alright here is my very first attempt, based on patchwork eggs I made as a child.

I think it is probably too busy / detailed, but hopefully someone will be able to render this for me so I can fix it.
Thanks in advance :)
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Ah, I'll have to troll around a bit here... Patech PMed me, so here's a quick take on his:


Rhodin, I'll get to yours soon (maybe next week, though...:(...) Regarding the yolk/ghostie egg... it's possible so far as I know, but I'm not sure the transparency will do much at that size, and with a static image. Now, if we could do an animation... that would be very very cool.
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OH, all right, Rhodin, here ye go:






...again, no promises on the timing of the turnaround. ;D Rhodin, you got lucky here.
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Oh, and obviously that ghost egg is just a straight egg map. If I were going to do the transparency trick, I'd have to build a yolk on the inside and render the "shell" as semi-transparent. Technically feasible, but you'd almost want the final product to be semi-transparent (except for the yolk), and I'm not sure if YPP will do that, plus the tiny size trouble. (Ghys mad and sad look... um... pretty identical.)
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Well, I was trying to avoid having them build a whole separate model for one crazy idea. I should probably post a version with a less transparent yolk. My plan is to position the yolk so that it just looks like it's floating in there. Then, I'll have to add something to fake floorlines... >.<
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Well, if you knew precisely which angle it would be rendered at, you could compensate simply enough... but if the rendering size and angle are variable, you're kinda up the creek.
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Thanks again, I like how the patchwork effect came out - it actually looks a lot like the eggs I used to make. Rhodin's Weebles are very cute :) (Weebles wobble but they don't fall down!)
I am trying to make a puppet egg - big surprise I know - I would like to see how the mouth works (forgive this - I think it looks terribly goofy - it was just a quick sketch trying to get an idea about what to do for the mouth.)
It does look like it is a good idea to have dark colors up at the top.

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Ye caught me just before I left for the night. Pletoo, here's that puppet, with a newly resized small render. I'm still trying to nail down the right size.


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Before I go, here's one of mine... maybe abstract is the way to go, since you don't lose detail. ;D
My Storm Egg (note how the renderer alters the colors slightly, too, as Guppy pointed out... and thanks to Guppy, I have the right small egg now... I think):



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hehehe - definitely needs work - thanks :)
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The mouth should go all the way back to the earrings for a hand puppet. Also, all the eggs will be viewed top-down like the rest of scenes in-game. So, keep that in mind when drawing the mouth.

To everyone, the combination of the somewhat harsh lighting and the tiny size totally kills contrast, so don't bother with subtle shading. >.> It'll be even lighter in-game, really! My Rhegg is a towhead.


I like the Storm one, it looks like it's made of black marble.
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Aye, I already fixed the width of the mouth, I actually did that before posting, but got distracted by dinner and loaded the wrong one. I am trying to go off my actual puppets - it is such an odd angle really, I think once I finally get the mouth the rest will be easier (heh just like making the real puppets.)
Thanks for the tips, though. Finding good contrasts will be difficult, I wish I were able to do this on my own so I could experiment until happy but... it won't let me download even though I did everything it told me to.
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Will someone please render my fancy chocolate egg for me?

Thanks in advance!



I have a feeling the rose is too large. I really wish I could actually draw out my ideas well.
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Arrrrrghhh!
I forgot about the lightening the colors issue.

Oh well...
Could you give me a rendering of this, so I can see where I went horribly wrong?


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Double posty for me. :P Stupid no edit....



if this one could get rendered too, I'd greatly appreciate it!
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I have a few i'd like to see rendered:







Thanks for all the help with this

ps. I did download 3dmax, but it booched upon installing :(
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Another two to render, with a second attempt at a puppet.




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Remember that everything'll get distorted when it's converted to an egg, and then everything'll get shrunk down really really tiny when it goes into the game. Designs which hinge upon the ornate or delicate probably won't look so good on the other side of the renderer.

Here's a simple design I cobbled together in a few seconds:

While it's not particularly unoriginal and I wouldn't expect it to do well in the event, it's a very simple design that will still be pleasant to look at after it's been rendered and shrunk. (Well. It might be, but I admittedly picked poor colours for this purpose.)

Some specific things to avoid:
- Any "perfect shapes" like squares and circles, unless you want them distorted as an effect. (As is the case with this design.)
- Any text, at all. Even if it'd be readable after rendering, it won't be after it's been shrunk.
- Any design elements that might be termed "delicate" will also probably suffer by rendering and shrinking.
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OK, I've fired up the Illustrate! plugin for Max, and I get some... dissatisfactory results when I render things at high resolution. Somehow the normals and texture resolution go all haywire. Just for illustration, here's a pattern that my dear wife made, so I could test things...

Stained Glass


Standard, hi-res rendering:



Illustrate! Cartoon rendering (Cel rendering looks even worse; the normals are still booched, but the lighting is too flat):




So... since the smaller ones really don't seem to lose all that much, I'm just going to do these test renders for people at the smaller size (which is how they would turn up in-game anyways) using the Illustrate! plugin.

If, for some wacky reason, anyone has a irresistable urge to see their eggs in high resolution, all prettied up, please PM me, and I'll try to work it in.

In the meantime, I'm just going to hammer out little trinkety eggs for whatever texture designs I get my grubby little piratey paws on. ;D
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Here's a batch of rendered eggy things. I'd include the original pattern, but that could get pretty spammy and would kill bandwidth. If you reeeeeally need to see the original patterns, they are a few posts back.

Arlith 1

Arlith 2


Fizz 1

Fizz 2

Fizz 3

Fizz 4

Fizz 5


Pletoo 1

Pletoo 2


Synful


PTG (Which, by the way, I had to turn into a PNG files format, since the one he posted was a .gif... no big difference, but the contest requires PNGs. PTG probably knew that, so no offense intended, just a notice for the contest.)

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Here's a basic template for a design, may I see it rendered to see if I have the proportions right? :)
'tis an egg in a basket

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Gee, mine really needs a lot of work..lol.

Thank ye mate for the render, and I have another one or two I'll post tonight before I go to bed. Yer a saint for doing this!
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Okay, I have a feeling that this will morp horribly when put onto an egg form, but I can't get the celtic designs out of my head until I at least try once. Thanks so much for rendering these. It helps immensely :-)


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Feylind, here's yours. It's more detailed than I thought it would be. I've been pondering Celtic, too. ;D


Synful, my wife still likes yours. ;)

Phillite, I can't seem to get your original design. The link seems to be broken.

And Rhodin, sorry if I've kinda hijacked this here little thread. I'm just chipping in where I can. ;D I may have to do a special render of your ghostie egg, just for the technical fun of it.
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I'll try again
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Thank you so much for your time in this. Now I know what I need to work on.
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It's an Eggshell Discussion thread, not just a Look at Rhodin thread. (I've made plenty of those already. >.>) Rendering the eggs helps us discuss them.

By the way, look at Rhodin!



I eyeballed the yolk position based on the hi-res ones. And this time, I didn't just lazily make the whole thing transparent. >.> Of course, at its puny in-game size it might not make a difference. No phony floorlines yet because I'm foolishly holding out hope that I can invent see-through furniture. If this one does get added, I hope you can see the pirate's hand through it in the portraits. Poor Nemo. >.>

Look at Ghys!



I've shifted the feather so that you can see more of it if the egg is facing right. Of course, you probably won't see any of it when it faces left. I've also darkened and thickened the border beween her white face and white collar in the hopes that they'll be distinguishable on a 60-pixel egg. Frowny-Ghys only since I'm also testing the frowny face. It's taller now.

Look at Schtroumphe!


Now in two colors, Smurf Blue and Pirate Tan. Mostly, I just made a lot of things darker on this one. I'm still somewhat iffy on the skin color. Smurfs, chaliced or not, should be blue, but can a Smurfegg be added to the game without bringing down the wrath of whoever owns the rights? (Peyo's kids?)
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Ha, I was so busy showing off my own pirates that I forgot about Apollo, the low-contrast OM. I never had any problem distinguishing Prometheus's shirt from his face. >.>


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