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And I conclude that YARRG isn't working, or isn't being used, or something.

YARRG is used on midnight, cobalt and ice. Since the YARRG uploader (by default) also updates the PCTB database, using it helps both websites. Sadly, right now, the PCTB uploader *doesn't* update YARRG. For Cobalt at least, the majority of updates to PCTB come from my use of YARRG.

If you want to test out to see how YARRG works on real data, check a blue ocean.

I hear that there is a new java uploader being worked on that, like the YARRG uploader, will update both websites, but unlike either the YARRG or PCTB uploader, it will be portable. My understanding is that this new java uploader is different than the one that burninator(?) had developed, but never released.

Mind you, I'm not really involved in the development of any of these projects, I'm just a happy user of YARRG. The trade/route options on PCTB were never as good as PCT and were generally useless to me, so all I used PCTB for was the commodity data. Now that I have better tools of my own, I don't use PCTB much at all.

Edit: just for giggles, I updated the Ibis arch of sage, so you can play with that data now too.
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Feature request: I want to be able to review an island's trade market. I want to be able to see all the commodities (or a given section) for trade at a market. I'd like to be able to limit this to "Best buy/Best sell, and total quantity at that price". And, if the data supports it, see what the prices used to be in the past.


This falls into the "When the V6 GUI gets written" pile. Unless someone out there knows JS and wants to help, in which case we can do all sorts of great stuff sooner than when I find the time to rewrite in PHP.

The historical information, on the other hand, is very, very unlikely. The current database schema drops vast swaths of data whenever an update happens, absolutely nothing gets kept. And this was my second highest priority when I started taking over the project, lower only than getting things updated for new commodities.
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I keep finding that Midnight ocean islands are being updated, but there is no trade information that can be retrieved. On Friday 2/12 between 7-8 pirate time emerald, diamond, some of jet were updated but there is no information. I have tried accessing on two different computers with different platforms (Mac and Windows).

What causes this? Is it related to how people are uploading data? I can go in and update an island afterwards and it works fine.

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I keep finding that Midnight ocean islands are being updated, but there is no trade information that can be retrieved.

I can go in and update an island afterwards and it works fine.


My first guess is that when it was updated, there actually were no profitable trades to be had. You can check that there is actual data in there by looking for commodities to buy and sell - those are always around.

Thing is, the trade information screen is pulling only from those trades that will be profitable, even if only 1 poe. If there aren't any of those, there's nothing to see. If someone goes around and trades everything out, THEN updates...
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Now almost the entire Midnight ocean has no trade routes so what is that 40 islands? I think someone is messing with the data. ( update was last made around 5:30 AM pirate time, on the 14th)

Please if you update PCTB immediately check to see if it has updated correctly.

If I go back and update then the information gets uploaded.

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Now almost the entire Midnight ocean has no trade routes so what is that 40 islands? I think someone is messing with the data.

I wonder if this might be a bug in the YARRG uploader, it appears that most of the islands on midnight have most recently been updated via it, rather than the PCTB uploader. It is nice that the YARRG uploader updates both websites, it is nice that YARRGs is under fairly active development, it isn't so nice when bugs pop up.
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If I upload the data it is with using the PCTb updater on a Windows system and the data is updated correctly (many items with possible trade routes which I verify to execute trades).

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If I upload the data it is with using the PCTb updater on a Windows system and the data is updated correctly (many items with possible trade routes which I verify to execute trades).


Right... I bet it is someone *else* using the YaRRG client that is killing the data. Fortunately, the PCTB client is sort of self-healing - no matter how mashed the data is, when you upload new it just dumps all the garbage and moves on.
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Right... I bet it is someone *else* using the YaRRG client that is killing the data. Fortunately, the PCTB client is sort of self-healing - no matter how mashed the data is, when you upload new it just dumps all the garbage and moves on.

I've been using the most current production version of the YARRG uploader on Cobalt, and it has been working fine. The vast majority of PTCB updates on Cobalt are from YARRG. Is the data still being smashed on Midnight? Or, was this an one-time occurrence?

But, yes, it is nice that both PTCB and YARGG are self-healing.
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I've been using the most current production version of the YARRG uploader on Cobalt, and it has been working fine. The vast majority of PTCB updates on Cobalt are from YARRG. Is the data still being smashed on Midnight? Or, was this an one-time occurrence?


It happens all the time, almost every day and it is very frustrating as emerald and diamond arches are updated the most.

Does the YARRG also update commodity bid prices? I notice that they do not get updated for a very long time (weeks). If I use PCTwB, then I have to choose to do it.

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No longer have access to PCTwB. Restricted from accessing site due to anonymous proxies.

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Is the source for this available for anything higher than version 5.0.25 ? The link that sends you to the "source" for 0.30 from the website just sends you to another version of the installer.
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I've been using the most current production version of the YARRG uploader on Cobalt, and it has been working fine. The vast majority of PTCB updates on Cobalt are from YARRG. Is the data still being smashed on Midnight? Or, was this an one-time occurrence?


It happens all the time, almost every day and it is very frustrating as emerald and diamond arches are updated the most.

Does the YARRG also update commodity bid prices? I notice that they do not get updated for a very long time (weeks). If I use PCTwB, then I have to choose to do it.

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As of today, data is still being buggered for Midnight. Any chance of one of the people working on YARRG looking into this and seeing what IS happening to the data?
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Source is available at pctb2.sourceforge.net. Looks like I didn't create a source zip when I created the version 5.0.30 install package. I just created one and it is available now on sourceforge. Source code can also be obtained via SVN from the sourceforge site as well (and that has been up to date since the 5.0.30 release).

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As of today, data is still being buggered for Midnight. Any chance of one of the people working on YARRG looking into this and seeing what IS happening to the data?

Algol sent me a pm last night pointing me at this thread. I'm looking into it.
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Yes, it turns out that this is the fault of the beta jpctb yarrg uploader. Obviously we didn't test the pctb part of the uploader enough. I'm very sorry.

I've updated the version of our beta uploader to disable the pctb functionality for now, and arranged for the yarrg server to reject updates from old clients to force people to upgrade. I think that should be enough to stop this happening.

I'm about to go and do a full-ocean upload for Midnight using the production yarrg ocr uploader. As I say, I'm very sorry and I'm also sorry that I didn't hear about this sooner! I'll add this thread to my watchlist to make sure I spot problems next time.
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I have now updated the yarrg jpctb uploader so that it actually uploads sane data to pctb, rather than trashing everything there. Sorry about that.

After all that is perhaps not the best time to try to plug a new piece of software, but if anyone would like to try out the new uploader you can find it here: http://yarrg.chiark.net/upload

It's much faster than the OCR-based uploaders. We have Linux and Windows versions; a Mac version would be a possibility but needs some attention from a Mac expert. It only does commodity data and not bids; we don't know whether getting bid data via the same approach would be possible even in principle.

Please post bug reports and other feedback here, email us, or talk to Aristarchus on Midnight.
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I'm pleased to announce Jarrg, a data uploader for YARRG and PCTB. This is the first non-beta release of the uploader formerly known as yarrg jpctb. You can find full details at: http://yarrg.chiark.net/upload

Jarrg uploads market data to both the YARRG and PCTB servers, when used with the default settings. See http://yarrg.chiark.net or the the YARRG thread for information about the YARRG commodity database.

I haven't tried the PPAOCR v5 Windows PCTB uploader but I'm pretty confident that Jarrg is much much faster. In my performance tests on Admiral Island with a 5-year-old laptop, Jarrg needs exclusive use of the YPP game client for under half a second.

In my tests on Admiral the whole process takes 26 seconds of which 21 seconds are waiting for the PCTB server to accept the uploaded data, but while that's happening you can interact normally with your YPP client without disturbing the upload. It's much faster on smaller islands (2.2s for Midsummer on Midnight), or if you use the control panel to turn off uploading to PCTB and send to YARRG only (6.2s for Admiral, 1.3s for Midsummer).

As I wrote before, Jarrg supports Linux and Windows; MacOS is probably a relatively straightforward port to do but we don't have any Mac systems for testing ourselves.

Please post bug reports and other feedback here, email us, or talk to a Fleet Officer or above of Special Circumstances on Midnight.
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I'm pleased to announce Jarrg 1.0.4. This is a bugfix release, for the following problems:

  • On Windows, if you never used the Jarrg Control Panel, it would default to uploading to the testing servers rather than the live servers.
  • If you sailed a ship from one island to another, and then tried to do an upload from the ship's hold (without disembarking and reembarking) Jarrg would mistake the vessel name for the island name, and fail.
Full details, including the download links, can be found at http://yarrg.chiark.net/upload, as above.
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Is there any reason to use the old PPAOCR uploader rather than the newer, java-based JARRG uploader for PCTB? I notice that the yppedia page for PCTB still points to the older uploader. The "help" option on the PCTB website appears to be broken, but I suspect that if it was fixed, it would also still talk about the older uploader.
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Is there any reason to use the old PPAOCR uploader rather than the newer, java-based JARRG uploader for PCTB?

I don't know of a reason. I haven't tried PPAOCR (since I don't run Windows) but the Java uploader is intended to replace the OCR-based clients.
 
I notice that the yppedia page for PCTB still points to the older uploader. The "help" option on the PCTB website appears to be broken, but I suspect that if it was fixed, it would also still talk about the older uploader.

I would love it if the PCTB maintainers would like to refer pirates to my uploader as well as or instead of PPAOCR.
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Is there any reason to use the old PPAOCR uploader rather than the newer, java-based JARRG uploader for PCTB?


I've been trying to come up with an answer to this other than: "no".

 
I would love it if the PCTB maintainers would like to refer pirates to my uploader as well as or instead of PPAOCR.


As soon as I find the cycles to figure out why the help page is broken, I'll look into this as well.
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As I wrote before, Jarrg supports Linux and Windows; MacOS is probably a relatively straightforward port to do but we don't have any Mac systems for testing ourselves.


I have a Mac and would like to help with the port if you still need help. It should be easy since most Macs run Unix which is very similar to Linux. If it makes things easier, my Mac is Intel based which means I can boot in Windows or Linux if I'd like, but I'd rather not unless it helps with the porting project.

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It should be easy since most Macs run Unix which is very similar to Linux


Actually, Unix is a registered trademark of The Open Group; only systems fully compliant with and certified to the Single UNIX Specification qualify as "UNIX" (others are called "Unix system-like" or "Unix-like").

What you have in MacOS X and Linux is a POSIX-compliant system. Each has varying degrees of POSIX compliance and extensions to the POSIX standards, and it is these extensions which cause a lot of incompatibilities among them, for instance, case sensitivity in the filesystem (Apple's HFS defaults to case-insensitive.) That is the kind of thing to watch out for when porting.

MacOS X itself is based on the Mach kernel, with elements from FreeBSD and NetBSD incorporated in NeXTSTEP.
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WTF, I have Darwin, not that it matters. All I need is source, make, etc. I hope the next answer is more useful.
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Sorry for so quick, I'm a technologist, not a lawyer. Like just about everyone else I know, I call all Unix - like OS's Unix. Only Valley Girls stick like into their sentences when it's not necessary, and I don't mean Silicon. If I was writing a manual, I'd have my lawyer proof read it and he'd fix that sort of thing.

If you can direct me to the source, I'd be very thankful.
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If you can direct me to the source, I'd be very thankful.

See: http://yarrg.chiark.net/devel


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SVR4:  A not very popular clone of the highly successful Linux
operating system.
(In 1994, most in the computer business (rather than hackers) were still pooh-poohing Linux, but were beginning to get quite defensive that "real" unix might be eclipsed by it.)
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Only thing I can see is that the older client DOES support the bid info as well, while the new one is purely for the buy / sell side.
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Only thing I can see is that the older client DOES support the bid info as well, while the new one is purely for the buy / sell side.

Yes, that's right - although there is no reason why support for the bid info could not be added to the new client by anyone with sufficient time and interest. I'm sure Ian would be happy to accept patches!
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