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Huh? So now they have a cap on "free"* accounts you can create too?

What is the number limit?
How is it tabulated?
If you create an account and never use it and it disintegrates, does that count, or is it removed from the tally? (I made many accounts to hold names on hunter for awhile before picking out a couple that seemed useful and deleting the rest. Does that restrict me from making others later?)
Why does paying for dubs well beyond the 12 dub mark on each account not prevent this?


It would also be kind of nice if three rings posted things like this someplace...

*This term is used loosely, in the "CC greenies are more important than larger revenue producing power players are" sense. But thats for the parley thread mostly
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Doubloons have cost exactly the same price for years. 42 dubs for $10.

Oh, what's that? You want it to be easier to play the game FOR FREE? Sorry, kiddo. No sympathy.

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They used to have a cap on free accounts before, anyway. It's more like, they didn't announce they temporarily stopped having a cap. Apparently, according to you, they've reverted to the way it always used to be =)
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Im still wondering how many free accounts you have, if I try logging in to a newly created account it say "Your COMPUTER has reached the maximum amount of free accounts"

I believe if you would create a free account on another computer it may work.
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This is a support issue, actually. Although banning an account stops that account from logging in, if someone has 50 different unpaid accounts they created, we have been in the past forced to manually click through and ban each of those accounts, which is a tremendous waste of our time. By preventing this exploit, we will be able to provide better service.

Deleted accounts, therefore, do not count towards the creation limit; also, accounts that are old enough do not count. This is simply to stop people from spamming the system with bogus accounts which they could use to evade bans or use for farming pieces of eight using bots.

The limit is 2 linked non-paying accounts created within the last 90 days for creation to succeed (i.e. maximum of 3 free accounts).

The code for this has always been in place, but unfortunately there was a glitch in which it was stopping (believe it or not) customers with too many paid accounts from creating new accounts, instead of the reverse, which I recently patched.
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Are linked accounts decided by email address?

Asking since i currently have one account that is subscribed, one that used to be subscribed 3 or 4 that have bought doubloons in the last year andsomewhere approaching 10 other accounts that have yet to have money thrown at them - but not all of them have an email address linked to them.

Yes I do plan on throwing money at the other accounts I have eventually, I'm just at a tight spot with finances right now and saving the Three Rings money for when my subscription runs out next month.
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Are linked accounts decided by email address?
I doubt it. That would be rather pointless in preventing alt exploitation by those who have been banned. Surely they would simply get a dozen free web-based email addy's. Not to mention, you're not even required to have an email addy on your account.
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One presumes that the method used to tell a computer is tainted is the one used to tell if a computer has made too many free accounts.
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The limit is 2 linked non-paying accounts created within the last 90 days for creation to succeed (i.e. maximum of 3 free accounts).


Okay i definitely have way more than 2 accounts that have never bought subs or credit card dubs. They do get them off the exchange though. Does buying labor badges count toward making it a paid account then?

Ive also made 6 accounts at once, logged onto all of them, and then later bought the dubs for badges, which according to this doesnt seem like it should have been possible to do...?

Or is it that if you have any paid accounts (or a certain number), you dont have a cap anymore? (but then, I did get a cap, and I have bought with credit cards - subs as well) Maybe every paid account gets thow two free accounts to go with it, and also exchange dubs count? That seems kind of complicated, but it's the only thing that seems to fit with everything said and seen so far.
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Doubloons have cost exactly the same price for years. 42 dubs for $10.

Oh, what's that? You want it to be easier to play the game FOR FREE? Sorry, kiddo. No sympathy.

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The code to prevent flooding of the account system was booched. I fixed it a night or two ago, so it's only since that point that you'll not be able to create a large number of free accounts.

This is paying for an account with a credit card, not spending doubloons using the exchange or buying badges. I believe that doubscribing an account also will cause it to no longer be considered a free account.
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Okay, that makes sense. But any particular reason why a credit card works and not exchange bought badges?
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Doubloons have cost exactly the same price for years. 42 dubs for $10.

Oh, what's that? You want it to be easier to play the game FOR FREE? Sorry, kiddo. No sympathy.

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Okay, that makes sense. But any particular reason why a credit card works and not exchange bought badges?
I'm just guessing, but because badges don't necessarily mean you used real world money? I mean, most of my badges came off of trading PoE for doubs. I only made one real world doubloon purchase, 42 I think, way back when, and that only fixed one account.
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However many more dubs you buy on the exchange than you would have bought with real money if there was no exchange - that is the number of dubs that three rings is selling entirely because of your exchange purposes, in real cash, 100% attributable to you.

But this is in detail in another thread in parley, which is more where it belongs. Im just interested in OOO's explanation.
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Doubloons have cost exactly the same price for years. 42 dubs for $10.

Oh, what's that? You want it to be easier to play the game FOR FREE? Sorry, kiddo. No sympathy.

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This is not about making more money - this is about better serving all customers. If the effort needed to create an additional new account is simply /tipping that account one doubloon and buying a pirate badge, or only ~700-900 pieces of eight to use that account to obtain one doubloon, then it will be insufficient to stop people from wasting support time by constantly going around bans, etc. - by requiring that real-world payments be made if someone wants more than three accounts, we're preventing the system from being flooded and abused.
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So, maybe I should be more articulate in my question: What's a "CC Greenie"?
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Credit Card Greenie.


Well, I kinda got that, but what's it mean? Just a derogatory term for subscribers or something?
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Credit Card Greenie.


Well, I kinda got that, but what's it mean? Just a derogatory term for subscribers or something?



A CC greenie - or CC captain is usually found on doubloon oceans. For some reason people who pay and exchange Doubs into PoE are frowned at - I'm not exactly sure why. Usually have incredibly low stats to go with it, but are still wearing Black and gold.
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'Credit Card Greenies', as Phoenix said, are usually narrow/Able captains, found wearing black and gold. Some people look down on them as CCGs apparently believe that having the stuff and the rank = winning the game, and that they can buy their way to success. A lot of the concern is that they (usually - there are certainly exceptions) run their own crews and flags incompetently, as they're in such a hurry to 'win the game' that they don't take the time to learn how to actually play it. They're not necessarily greenies, just players whose only strength is in their (or a parent's) credit limit. This phenomenon doesn't occur on the sub oceans, as the sub oceans have no way of converting real life money into game money.

Players who achieve success based on merit, and who buy doubloons, are not looked down on (for the most part - some individuals see this as a sign of weakness, which I don't personally get).
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So, basically the same as a PLer twink in games such as EQ and WoW....? :p (Or an Ebay baby... )
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as the sub oceans have no way of converting real life money into game money.


Not true, actually. You can dubscribe and take labor accounts, etc. Its just inefficient and labor intensive.

 
So, basically the same as a PLer twink in games such as EQ and WoW....?


That's a somewhat deragatory phrase, in a few different ways. I know you didnt come up with it or anything, but yeah...
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Doubloons have cost exactly the same price for years. 42 dubs for $10.

Oh, what's that? You want it to be easier to play the game FOR FREE? Sorry, kiddo. No sympathy.

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as the sub oceans have no way of converting real life money into game money.


Not true, actually. You can dubscribe and take labor accounts, etc. Its just inefficient and labor intensive.



I didn't think of that - but surely you could just subscribe an account directly? Same price per month to do both.
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This doesn't give PoE on the subscriber ocean as a result of exchanging real life money for other players' PoE via the doubloon exchange.

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I didn't think of that - but surely you could just subscribe an account directly? Same price per month to do both.


Oh right... yeah that's what I meant. The other one though would be a secondary scenrio of that without the money. The point is, its still possible.

Although with the change mentioned in this very thread, perhaps not so much.
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Oh, what's that? You want it to be easier to play the game FOR FREE? Sorry, kiddo. No sympathy.

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Er. I tried this today. I was able to make another free account. And I'm pretty sure I have more than 3.
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The limit is 2 linked non-paying accounts created within the last 90 days for creation to succeed (i.e. maximum of 3 free accounts).

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I'll have to try that again, then.

EDIT: Also, doesn't this seem like it puts an evil clamp on the doublooner foraging game? I'm glad I have enough accounts already, otherwise I'd be screwed.
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I'll have to try that again, then.

EDIT: Also, doesn't this seem like it puts an evil clamp on the doublooner foraging game? I'm glad I have enough accounts already, otherwise I'd be screwed.


Well it's not really a "game."

And can you really complain about OOO shunting profits for more people having fun more readily? People complain about this NOT being the case everywhere else (pets, etc.). Seems like a good reason to me.

Personally, I dont quite see why a number limit is the answer, though. Seems like if people are using scripts, then all their accounts should be banned (easy for the devs), and if they're using alts legitimately, then none of the accounts should be banned (also easy). What sort of action requires banning of a few accounts but not others? (Even something like profanity naming, which might be minor, seems like a pretty big deal if you have 30 accounts all full of profanely named pirates...)
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Oh, what's that? You want it to be easier to play the game FOR FREE? Sorry, kiddo. No sympathy.

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Um...I doubt they'll tell you exactly how, since that only assists folks in figuring a way to get around it. Liz has often said, she hates security through obscurity, however she won't publish certain information.
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The limit is 2 linked non-paying accounts created within the last 90 days for creation to succeed (i.e. maximum of 3 free accounts).


OK, the computer that I'm using now has not made any free accounts within at least 6 months, probably 10-14 months. I cannot make some now.

What is my next step? In my interest would be doing something like going to the library, and using their computers to make 3 per computer. But that's not in three ring's best interest.

Doubloon ocean foraging looks to be too profitable now that we've gotten some ideas -- heck, someone who was a nay-sayer on it has become one of the lead doers, so that tells us it's really really profitable. But if the rest of us can't, this just turns into another whitefire pillage imbalance.
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