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Vanguard has declared a blockade on Dendrite Island. Blockade will commence in 24 hours.

Because we can.

Jobbing Contact is Beebe. If SX makes it sinking, that's 11 more days of war. If they don't, we kick their asses.

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Re: Vanguard has declared a blockade on Dendrite Island. Blockade will commence in 24 hours.

>=D



Tough choice for SX then.
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Re: Vanguard has declared a blockade on Dendrite Island. Blockade will commence in 24 hours.

Heads I help Vanguard
Tails I help SX

/me flip coins


Would you look at that.... a tricked coin...

Heads only....
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Re: Vanguard has declared a blockade on Dendrite Island. Blockade will commence in 24 hours.

Hehe some more ships to sink in that graveyard!
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Re: Vanguard has declared a blockade on Dendrite Island. Blockade will commence in 24 hours.

Whee! Personally, as a manager of a shipyard shoppe, I love wars, blockades and anything that gives us more business!! I still hope that VG doesn't win this one...but...sadly I probably won't be there to help fight against them either.
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Re: Vanguard has declared a blockade on Dendrite Island. Blockade will commence in 24 hours.

 
If SX makes it sinking, that's 11 more days of war. If they don't, we kick their asses.


It's actually sinking since you're still at war with SX. But since they've been offering a truce for awhile, you don't get more days of war from them.
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Re: Vanguard has declared a blockade on Dendrite Island. Blockade will commence in 24 hours.

Vanguard has conceded the rest of the Dendrite blockade; an outpost is not worth losing any more ships over. That said, we did a lot of damage and had some UNF. Thanks to everyone who jobbed for us, did /fbs for us, was on our blockade team, and helped make it a great day overall. Well fought, SX.
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Re: Vanguard has declared a blockade on Dendrite Island. Blockade will commence in 24 hours.

Thanks for the glubbage Des. Can't argue on letting it go after the second round, an outpost isn't worth that many frigs.
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Re: Vanguard has declared a blockade on Dendrite Island. Blockade will commence in 24 hours.

I don't understand.


Vanguard are always claiming they make mega-zillions of poe in a single day.

Ungrounded?
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Re: Vanguard has declared a blockade on Dendrite Island. Blockade will commence in 24 hours.

When did we claim this?

I have a helluva lot of money. Just because I have so much, do I give 1 poe to every beggar that asks for it? Of course not. We work hard to have it, we can spend it how we like.
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Re: Vanguard has declared a blockade on Dendrite Island. Blockade will commence in 24 hours.

 


Just because I have so much, do I give 1 poe to every beggar that asks for it



It's a completely different scenario.

You're talking about spending it on someone else. I'm talking about spending it for your own entertainment.

You're saying there is no difference between paying for a stranger to watch a movie and paying for yourself to go?



And it has been claimed many many times that you, as a flag have a lot of money. I would route through my chatlogs to find just a few quotes but I'd rather let you win than put in the effort to find it.
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Re: Vanguard has declared a blockade on Dendrite Island. Blockade will commence in 24 hours.

 
 


Just because I have so much, do I give 1 poe to every beggar that asks for it



It's a completely different scenario.

You're talking about spending it on someone else. I'm talking about spending it for your own entertainment.

You're saying there is no difference between paying for a stranger to watch a movie and paying for yourself to go?






Think of a stall or shoppe. They give people entertainment. If ye were to start setting use prices under what ye bought the commod for it would make very little sense. Sure, ye would have fun until ye went bankrupt and couldn't afford to keep the stall open as ye were running at loss. Even having a lot of poe and running at a loss is not worth the bother.

Same applies to blockades; an island is only worth so much. From what I heard SX had 40/40. Im not sure whether that's true or not but if it means that much to them that they are willing to lose that many ships over, its there's to keep if they want it so bad.
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Re: Vanguard has declared a blockade on Dendrite Island. Blockade will commence in 24 hours.

 


Same applies to blockades; an island is only worth so much.


I completely agree but it's worth different amounts to different flags.

A very rich flag (Like Vanguard) can afford to loose more ships than any other flag on the ocean, apart from P4P, perhaps.


Your point about the stalls is also very valid. But making a loss on your goods can actually cause you to make a profit in the future.



You put your goods below market price.

No one else can match your prices without going out of buisness.

You force them out of buisness.

You have no competition in the area. You can raise your prices.


Obivously the Ypp market is too big for this to happen. But converted into blockade terms it's a "War of Attrition" and Vanguard have given every appearance they can certainly afford to do this.



It's only a very small point I'm trying to make here. As it's VG's money and they can do what the hell the want with it.
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Re: Vanguard has declared a blockade on Dendrite Island. Blockade will commence in 24 hours.

Vanguard only blockades to financially benefit themselves, always have, always will. Even if they have 100 zillion poe and 50,000 WF, they'll still try to come ahead.
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Re: Vanguard has declared a blockade on Dendrite Island. Blockade will commence in 24 hours.

I think JD and Flak are on the right track. I wasn't there for the blockade and haven't spoke to any royals of Vanguard, but a mate told me that Van lost 9-10 frigs first round and SX lost double that amount or close to it.

Like I said, I wasn't there so I do not know how accurate that is, but if I had to take a look at it from a Vanguard stand point, 9 or 10 frigs lost, with a flag that lost double that amount, over an outpost, and it appears the defending flag is not backing down, might have been time to pack it in.

It is my understanding jobbers were over the 300 mark with frig numbers in the 6+ on the board at once for both sides. Maybe, load a couple of frigs for round 2 for Vanguard and try and sink some more ships and run off if damaged? Something I might have considered if it was my show. Either way, as Flak said, outpost value is only so much and I am sure Van has plenty of fire power just cost wasn't worth the value.

Either way, sounds like it was a great blockade and congrats to both sides on a great show.
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Re: Vanguard has declared a blockade on Dendrite Island. Blockade will commence in 24 hours.

Tristan wrote: 
Something I might have considered if it was my show.


Heh, and I thought you were the only one left who blockaded out of principle, not $$$ (even though P4P blockades are few and far between nowadays =( ). I guess this is a doubloon ocean, nobody just blockades anymore.
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Re: Vanguard has declared a blockade on Dendrite Island. Blockade will commence in 24 hours.

 
Tristan wrote: 
Something I might have considered if it was my show.


Heh, and I thought you were the only one left who blockaded out of principle, not $$$ (even though P4P blockades are few and far between nowadays =( ). I guess this is a doubloon ocean, nobody just blockades anymore.


Considering losses compared to worth is definately blockading on principle.

I believe the course in highschool for accounting is called Principles of Financial Accounting.

There is a principle where one should not put all one's eggs in one basket (to put it simply). Depending on how many ships Vanguard still has, and considering the amount of isles they have left, it is not worth wasting too many trying to gain another.

Also, there is the principle of value. Dendrite can be valuable to a flag without a shipyard; however, to Vanguard, which owns 2 large islands it can build shipyards on, and owns shipyards itself, the island is not worth anything but an act of attrition towards SX.

I believe they accomplished that goal by sinking at a minimum twice as many of their opponent's ships. I counted 10 WF sinking from Vanguard, btw.

The principle of conseding to losses. Sometimes people do not know when to give up. They will ride the curve too long, up or down. Vanguard made the right call and set themselves a limit. Flags should follow this example, as it has happened time and time again where they will sink every ship they have, and the flag dies a couple days later.

I am not directing this specifically at you Flak, nor do i know the actual intention you wrote your post at. I am just commenting on the principles I think Tristan was refering to as a fellow blockade tactician.

Sure they lost, but hey, like they say, they were in it for the UNF. The best thing they did was set themselves a limit, so they can have fun again another time. ;-)
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Re: Vanguard has declared a blockade on Dendrite Island. Blockade will commence in 24 hours.

FYI - We lost 11 Frigs, 8 Brigs, 1 cutter and 4 sloops all up =)

No idea what UNF means ... BB and Des saying UNF alot ...gathering it means good game ?




Anyway Vanguard...*+*+ good game *+*+
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Re: Vanguard has declared a blockade on Dendrite Island. Blockade will commence in 24 hours.

Two of those frigs and two sloops were sunk by me, so it looks like we may have some miscommunication in numbers.
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Re: Vanguard has declared a blockade on Dendrite Island. Blockade will commence in 24 hours.

I am aware that some allies took a few ships in - so I do not know which of their ships sunk.

I speak for my fleet only =)
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Re: Vanguard has declared a blockade on Dendrite Island. Blockade will commence in 24 hours.

 
Sure they lost


Even that is debatable.

We still have all the islands we had before the Blockade, so we didn't lose anythign there. We sunk more of them than they sunk us, so we have that too. SX kept their outpost, well done, but thats about the only place we didn't come out on top.

We attack another of their islands, make a point, and get out. I have absolutely no problems with how any of this played out, but thats easy for me to say because i don't actually OWN the blockade ships.
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Re: Vanguard has declared a blockade on Dendrite Island. Blockade will commence in 24 hours.

 
FYI - We lost 11 Frigs, 8 Brigs, 1 cutter and 4 sloops all up =)

No idea what UNF means ... BB and Des saying UNF alot ...gathering it means good game ?




Anyway Vanguard...*+*+ good game *+*+


All I know is that under the name Vanguard, I saw 10 WFs sink (I Did not count anything smaller). Under the name SX, I saw a bit more than double that sink. So your allies sustained sufficient losses as well.
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Re: Vanguard has declared a blockade on Dendrite Island. Blockade will commence in 24 hours.

 

The principle of conseding to losses. Sometimes people do not know when to give up. They will ride the curve too long, up or down.


This point here wins the thread for me. Vanguard in my opinion haven't even peaked yet, because their main opposition is depleted, and the depleted is that way due to the quoted point. I too, am guilty of this during my SX reign, because i had too much pride to suck it all up and back out.
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Re: Vanguard has declared a blockade on Dendrite Island. Blockade will commence in 24 hours.

 
 

The principle of conseding to losses. Sometimes people do not know when to give up. They will ride the curve too long, up or down.


This point here wins the thread for me. Vanguard in my opinion haven't even peaked yet, because their main opposition is depleted, and the depleted is that way due to the quoted point. I too, am guilty of this during my SX reign, because i had too much pride to suck it all up and back out.


Hmmmm, maybe ur right there, but i shall say this, and this only. VG are too greedy! i mean look at em! all islands and no talk! im actually glad SX won! now you won't get that very often on here, but i know this = SX wants back terra, and will stop at nothing to get it! now how's that eh?
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Aren't you the guy who wanted to join my crew after i sunk your brig four hours after merging into the flag?

Yeah, just a guess, but i doubt you can fairly claim that about SX. I was monarch. Word doesn't spread out of the royalty clique much.
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Re: Vanguard has declared a blockade on Dendrite Island. Blockade will commence in 24 hours.

 
Aren't you the guy who wanted to join my crew after i sunk your brig four hours after merging into the flag?

Yeah, just a guess, but i doubt you can fairly claim that about SX. I was monarch. Word doesn't spread out of the royalty clique much.


Touche, and to think i would join you? i was desperate to get away from FLM (flota memetica imperial) and so i was thinking harshly, not accepting the consequences

and if what you say is correct, about me being sunk by you 4 hours in, then now i would get rid of this anger of mine at the guy who merged the crew i was happily enjoying! and after all, i don't use spies to tell me if a ship is damaged so you can finish it off

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You're one week late.
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You're one week late.


So what if i'm 'one week late', desmagicus? i know you, and you know me (as Donkreig in the earlier years) so i know you, and i don't give a coin if i'm one week late, alright?
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Re: Vanguard has declared a blockade on Dendrite Island. Blockade will commence in 24 hours.

 
 
You're one week late.


So what if i'm 'one week late', desmagicus? i know you, and you know me (as Donkreig in the earlier years) so i know you, and i don't give a coin if i'm one week late, alright?



Someone has an attitude problem.
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Someone has an attitude problem.

Lovely variant on PEBKAC, isn't it?
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