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Sorry about the late post here. I have been traveling back home most of the day.
First thing I want to say is thank you to everyone that came out to job with us this past weekend! On Behalf of Keep the Peace we appreciate each and everyone job of our jobbers! Without you all, taking loggerhead from Vargas wouldn't be possible! I also wanted to thank Pika for helping sink off the BK (even though he might have gone rogue at the end and started chasing our ships) I also wanted to thank our allies (Sink or Swim, Lion's Bane, Going Down, Fanatical Souls, and Blame Brenda) for really turning up this weekend in support of the kade! You all ROCK!!!


Now onto the island plans:
Taxes: For the entirety that KTP keeps the island, taxes will remain at 25%
SY dusting: Before anyone flames us for dusting the SY saying we are ruining the ocean and preventing flags from getting more frigs... AH is currently selling frigs to friends for profit and KTP wants to sell frigs to any flag at cost. Our plan is to rebuild the SY after it dusts and do just this. Each flag that would like MGs/WFs/GFs from us after the SY is rebuilt please contact any royal member. We will not discriminate when selling ships. Any flag is able to purchase a ship from us as long as they pay for the labor costs, dub costs and materials. When i say any flag is able to buy ships from our new SY once up, I mean ANY flag. We will do our best to make sure the ships are flowing out on a fair and balanced basis and if a flag recently ordered a ship we will put them at the back of the rotation for their next ship. We will also consider ship size when supplying flags with ships. For example if one flag orders a GF since it takes much longer than a WF, that will be weighted accordingly and will require that flag to wait a bit longer before asking for another ship.
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Congratulations to KTP for the great win :)
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Now onto the island plans:
Taxes: For the entirety that KTP keeps the island, taxes will remain at 25%
SY dusting: Before anyone flames us for dusting the SY saying we are ruining the ocean and preventing flags from getting more frigs... AH is currently selling frigs to friends for profit and KTP wants to sell frigs to any flag at cost. Our plan is to rebuild the SY after it dusts and do just this. Each flag that would like MGs/WFs/GFs from us after the SY is rebuilt please contact any royal member. We will not discriminate when selling ships. Any flag is able to purchase a ship from us as long as they pay for the labor costs, dub costs and materials. When i say any flag is able to buy ships from our new SY once up, I mean ANY flag. We will do our best to make sure the ships are flowing out on a fair and balanced basis and if a flag recently ordered a ship we will put them at the back of the rotation for their next ship. We will also consider ship size when supplying flags with ships. For example if one flag orders a GF since it takes much longer than a WF, that will be weighted accordingly and will require that flag to wait a bit longer before asking for another ship.


Hello Brocko

Just clarify the part in bold, I have sinking pvp'd your flag members frequently over these last few months because they're very active and out most frequently. I know we initially shared a couple of not so welcoming conversations about mine and my flags sinking activity.

Will we be able to order WF's from your Shipyard?
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Yes Antix, we will even make ships for your flag :) Speaking of PvP hunting, you talk about the hunt being so much fun and exciting, yet your flag hardly pillages or leads anything so you take away that excitement from others that would love to hunt you. The only time you are out and about is when you are hunting, so maybe if you were to lead more pillages you would see what the other side of the PvP is like and people would be less salty about your PvPing, but as it stands now you aren't giving my flag much of a chance to get you back :)
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Yes Antix, we will even make ships for your flag :) Speaking of PvP hunting, you talk about the hunt being so much fun and exciting, yet your flag hardly pillages or leads anything so you take away that excitement from others that would love to hunt you. The only time you are out and about is when you are hunting, so maybe if you were to lead more pillages you would see what the other side of the PvP is like and people would be less salty about your PvPing, but as it stands now you aren't giving my flag much of a chance to get you back :)


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Yes Antix, we will even make ships for your flag :) Speaking of PvP hunting, you talk about the hunt being so much fun and exciting, yet your flag hardly pillages or leads anything so you take away that excitement from others that would love to hunt you. The only time you are out and about is when you are hunting, so maybe if you were to lead more pillages you would see what the other side of the PvP is like and people would be less salty about your PvPing, but as it stands now you aren't giving my flag much of a chance to get you back :)


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I mean, I'm out hunting 98% of the time I'm online.

I also mem routes solo a fair bit.

Both of those times you guys are more than welcome to hunt me! (I was surprised no one has done so from Keep The Peace and Sink or Swim yet)
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Yes Antix, we will even make ships for your flag :) Speaking of PvP hunting, you talk about the hunt being so much fun and exciting, yet your flag hardly pillages or leads anything so you take away that excitement from others that would love to hunt you. The only time you are out and about is when you are hunting, so maybe if you were to lead more pillages you would see what the other side of the PvP is like and people would be less salty about your PvPing, but as it stands now you aren't giving my flag much of a chance to get you back :)


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I mean, I'm out hunting 98% of the time I'm online.

I also mem routes solo a fair bit.

Both of those times you guys are more than welcome to hunt me! (I was surprised no one has done so from Keep The Peace and Sink or Swim yet)


I don't want to hijack ur threat brocko sorry.

I've pvp'd twice on this ocean so far, both times against you, both times i won a whooping 25 small cannon balls. no1 cares to hunt that.
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Yes Antix, we will even make ships for your flag :) Speaking of PvP hunting, you talk about the hunt being so much fun and exciting, yet your flag hardly pillages or leads anything so you take away that excitement from others that would love to hunt you. The only time you are out and about is when you are hunting, so maybe if you were to lead more pillages you would see what the other side of the PvP is like and people would be less salty about your PvPing, but as it stands now you aren't giving my flag much of a chance to get you back :)


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I mean, I'm out hunting 98% of the time I'm online.

I also mem routes solo a fair bit.

Both of those times you guys are more than welcome to hunt me! (I was surprised no one has done so from Keep The Peace and Sink or Swim yet)


I don't want to hijack ur threat brocko sorry.

I've pvp'd twice on this ocean so far, both times against you, both times i won a whooping 25 small cannon balls. no1 cares to hunt that.


Pika the main point of hunting sinking pvps is to *sink* people, not grapple and take their commods. What I have onboard is irrelevant if you're trying to sink me.

The two pvps you have participated in were in Greywaters(non sink) and only because I solo pvp'd a sloop with six onboard that you were jobbing on, mainly because you were there. (The re-engage I grabbed one extra jobber?)

You've never actually hunted anyone which is evident by your concern of how little commods/PoE I would have onboard if you did. Additionally most of my ships have bounty on them so there is that slightly added incentive to hunt me.

Congratulations on the win at Loggerhead Brocko/Keep the Peace. Glad to hear you plan on opening up the shipyard to everyone.
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SY dusting: Before anyone flames us for dusting the SY saying we are ruining the ocean and preventing flags from getting more frigs... AH is currently selling frigs to friends for profit.


I mean, you are welcome to close the Shipyard and we understand why, even if Wintertide was a little conflicted when talking to Iameric after the 'cade, but lets not tell lies - all of what is being produced at present has either been people have provided the stock and labour cost or have paid for the stock.
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Pika the main point of hunting sinking pvps is to *sink* people, not grapple and take their commods. What I have onboard is irrelevant if you're trying to sink me.

The two pvps you have participated in were in Greywaters(non sink) and only because I solo pvp'd a sloop with six onboard that you were jobbing on, mainly because you were there. (The re-engage I grabbed one extra jobber?)

You've never actually hunted anyone which is evident by your concern of how little commods/PoE I would have onboard if you did. Additionally most of my ships have bounty on them so there is that slightly added incentive to hunt me.

Congratulations on the win at Loggerhead Brocko/Keep the Peace. Glad to hear you plan on opening up the shipyard to everyone.

What if grappling and having a SF is the point of PvP-ing for Pika? If the devs didn't want it as an option to have grapple fights in wild seas they would remove it. Just because you enjoy one kind of PvP doesnt mean everyone enjoys the same thing.

p.s.: With KTP owning the island, the AH plan of islands being easily winnable continues. Good luck and congratulations in advance to anyone who drops.
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I mean, you are welcome to close the Shipyard and we understand why, even if Wintertide was a little conflicted when talking to Iameric after the 'cade, but lets not tell lies - all of what is being produced at present has either been people have provided the stock and labour cost or have paid for the stock.


Oh the irony, scuttle the island to save it, and make it available for a small flag who then shuts you down. The new mechanic adds a nice twist, now will you go back and take the island? Save your shop? Both the shutting it down and taking it back are so piratey.
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I mean, you are welcome to close the Shipyard and we understand why, even if Wintertide was a little conflicted when talking to Iameric after the 'cade, but lets not tell lies - all of what is being produced at present has either been people have provided the stock and labour cost or have paid for the stock.


Oh the irony, scuttle the island to save it, and make it available for a small flag who then shuts you down. The new mechanic adds a nice twist, now will you go back and take the island? Save your shop? Both the shutting it down and taking it back are so piratey.


I literally said I have no issue with them closing the shipyard, I'm more concerned about their blatant lies, take off the Owl Blinkers a second jakeyboy.
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it's going to be fun w/e happends :D one you is spitting lies on the public parley forum :D and pika wants to know who it is :D
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I mean, you are welcome to close the Shipyard and we understand why, even if Wintertide was a little conflicted when talking to Iameric after the 'cade, but lets not tell lies - all of what is being produced at present has either been people have provided the stock and labour cost or have paid for the stock.


Oh the irony, scuttle the island to save it, and make it available for a small flag who then shuts you down. The new mechanic adds a nice twist, now will you go back and take the island? Save your shop? Both the shutting it down and taking it back are so piratey.


I literally said I have no issue with them closing the shipyard, I'm more concerned about their blatant lies, take off the Owl Blinkers a second jakeyboy.


i·ro·ny-the expression of one's meaning by using language that normally signifies the opposite, typically for humorous or emphatic effect

Don't see you having an issue with it in the word irony definitions, not everything is negative hold that beak up and smile you saved the ocean. Its funny, I smiled you did a nice thing and well they flipped your lights off.
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p.s.: With KTP owning the island, the AH plan of islands being easily winnable continues. Good luck and congratulations in advance to anyone who drops.


You must be salty you didn't take the island back from the BK. Don't underestimate us :)


Edit: regardless of what happens in future, dusting a SY to build a new one is bringing about change that's causing waves in the ocean. Aren't you all excited? :3
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I'm pretty sure AH said they'd scuttle and not come back for the islands. Why would they be salty they didn't go back for them from the BK?
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I'm pretty sure AH said they'd scuttle and not come back for the islands. Why would they be salty they didn't go back for them from the BK?


I typed that on my Ipad, until a few hours ago I haven't logged in for like 6 days due to internet issues. I simply replied to Korte's post as Korte and not directed at AH. Since he didn't have a pirate name in his signature, I had no idea of who he was or what flag he was in.

His comment sounded snide and I was simply replying to that by itself. Nothing more.
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SY dusting: Before anyone flames us for dusting the SY saying we are ruining the ocean and preventing flags from getting more frigs... AH is currently selling frigs to friends for profit.


I mean, you are welcome to close the Shipyard and we understand why, even if Wintertide was a little conflicted when talking to Iameric after the 'cade, but lets not tell lies - all of what is being produced at present has either been people have provided the stock and labour cost or have paid for the stock.


Still waiting, cat got your tongue?
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AH is currently selling frigs to friends for profit.


Profit: a financial gain, especially the difference between the amount earned and the amount spent in buying, operating, or producing something.

At Cost: At cost price; without profit to the seller.

I'm no expert in financial jargon but i do believe after a quick google search that us producing ships for our allies and friends AT COST is rather different to producing ships with a PROFIT.

I shall add an example for Brocko since he doesn't understand the difference using terms more understandable.

Pika buys 1 apple and we charge him £3
Seepnah bought apple for £1
Seepnah made £2 PROFIT

As shown above is a example of PROFIT.

Scoz buys 1 milkshake for £2
Soul bought milkshake for £2
Soul made no profit, only friendship.

An expert in finance could correct me.
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-snip-

Pika buys 1 apple and we charge him £3
Seepnah bought apple for £1
Seepnah made £2 PROFIT

As shown above is a example of PROFIT.

Scoz buys 1 milkshake for £2
Soul bought milkshake for £2
Soul made no profit, only friendship.

An expert in finance could correct me.


Taxes.
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Soul made no profit, only friendship.


so loyalty is the profit
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Soul made no profit, only friendship.


so loyalty is the profit


You just had to comment something, lol.




Congrats on the win KTP, refreshing to see a different name up there.
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Soul made no profit, only friendship.


so loyalty is the profit


You just had to comment something, lol.




Congrats on the win KTP, refreshing to see a different name up there.


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Pika the main point of hunting sinking pvps is to *sink* people, not grapple and take their commods. What I have onboard is irrelevant if you're trying to sink me.

The two pvps you have participated in were in Greywaters(non sink) and only because I solo pvp'd a sloop with six onboard that you were jobbing on, mainly because you were there. (The re-engage I grabbed one extra jobber?)

You've never actually hunted anyone which is evident by your concern of how little commods/PoE I would have onboard if you did. Additionally most of my ships have bounty on them so there is that slightly added incentive to hunt me.

Congratulations on the win at Loggerhead Brocko/Keep the Peace. Glad to hear you plan on opening up the shipyard to everyone.

What if grappling and having a SF is the point of PvP-ing for Pika? If the devs didn't want it as an option to have grapple fights in wild seas they would remove it. Just because you enjoy one kind of PvP doesnt mean everyone enjoys the same thing.

p.s.: With KTP owning the island, the AH plan of islands being easily winnable continues. Good luck and congratulations in advance to anyone who drops.


If grappling is the point to pvp for Pika then he will have to wait until we pillage, one of our new officers ran one on a sloop for a couple of hours just the other day and no one hunted him.

We were in a pvp for 90 turns recently, when we finished the sink there was no one hovering around.

I don?t think I can explain this better than via The Musical Stylings of DMX
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Pika the main point of hunting sinking pvps is to *sink* people, not grapple and take their commods. What I have onboard is irrelevant if you're trying to sink me.

The two pvps you have participated in were in Greywaters(non sink) and only because I solo pvp'd a sloop with six onboard that you were jobbing on, mainly because you were there. (The re-engage I grabbed one extra jobber?)

You've never actually hunted anyone which is evident by your concern of how little commods/PoE I would have onboard if you did. Additionally most of my ships have bounty on them so there is that slightly added incentive to hunt me.

Congratulations on the win at Loggerhead Brocko/Keep the Peace. Glad to hear you plan on opening up the shipyard to everyone.

What if grappling and having a SF is the point of PvP-ing for Pika? If the devs didn't want it as an option to have grapple fights in wild seas they would remove it. Just because you enjoy one kind of PvP doesnt mean everyone enjoys the same thing.

p.s.: With KTP owning the island, the AH plan of islands being easily winnable continues. Good luck and congratulations in advance to anyone who drops.


If grappling is the point to pvp for Pika then he will have to wait until we pillage, one of our new officers ran one on a sloop for a couple of hours just the other day and no one hunted him.

We were in a pvp for 90 turns recently, when we finished the sink there was no one hovering around.

I don?t think I can explain this better than via The Musical Stylings of DMX


Congratz on sinking a scrub on a sloopy,
See you in the cades if you are looking to pvp some more skilled pirates.
I don?t think I can explain this better than via [url=https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MHl2OzgPlgA]
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Pika says, "make it war bae"
Catch 'em all declared war on Scuppering Shrews.
Catch 'em all declared war on For Fox Sake.
Catch 'em all declared war on Consider it Sunk.
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Congratz on sinking a scrub on a sloopy,
See you in the cades if you are looking to pvp some more skilled pirates.
I don?t think I can explain this better than via [url=https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MHl2OzgPlgA]


I've never seen such anger on these forums - at least you've achieved something in your time on Obsidian.
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I mean, you are welcome to close the Shipyard and we understand why, even if Wintertide was a little conflicted when talking to Iameric after the 'cade, but lets not tell lies - all of what is being produced at present has either been people have provided the stock and labour cost or have paid for the stock.


Oh the irony, scuttle the island to save it, and make it available for a small flag who then shuts you down. The new mechanic adds a nice twist, now will you go back and take the island? Save your shop? Both the shutting it down and taking it back are so piratey.


I literally said I have no issue with them closing the shipyard, I'm more concerned about their blatant lies, take off the Owl Blinkers a second jakeyboy.


i·ro·ny-the expression of one's meaning by using language that normally signifies the opposite, typically for humorous or emphatic effect

Don't see you having an issue with it in the word irony definitions, not everything is negative hold that beak up and smile you saved the ocean. Its funny, I smiled you did a nice thing and well they flipped your lights off.

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I mean, you are welcome to close the Shipyard and we understand why, even if Wintertide was a little conflicted when talking to Iameric after the 'cade, but lets not tell lies - all of what is being produced at present has either been people have provided the stock and labour cost or have paid for the stock.


Oh the irony, scuttle the island to save it, and make it available for a small flag who then shuts you down. The new mechanic adds a nice twist, now will you go back and take the island? Save your shop? Both the shutting it down and taking it back are so piratey.


I literally said I have no issue with them closing the shipyard, I'm more concerned about their blatant lies, take off the Owl Blinkers a second jakeyboy.


i·ro·ny-the expression of one's meaning by using language that normally signifies the opposite, typically for humorous or emphatic effect

Don't see you having an issue with it in the word irony definitions, not everything is negative hold that beak up and smile you saved the ocean. Its funny, I smiled you did a nice thing and well they flipped your lights off.

i.ron.ic - Filthyjake giving people lessons on the English language


Good to see I am still a focus of your attention.
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Inasmuch as you are the focus of attention when you keep jumping in front of people and shout in their face.
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