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Leviathus



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Hello and welcome everyone.

I am here to provide a balanced and justified guidelines pertaining to Crew Restock and Booty Shares. One should note that for a fair and valid jobbing and recruiting experience, you must really consider the amount of time and effort that a player puts into playing puzzle pirates in order to have you, the officer in charge (or captain of the crew), perform your desired voyage, or organized structure, successfully. Manpower is the key to success in any voyage or system. Proper compensation is the key to a respectable reputation as an employer for your high sea adventures.

We all know that the maximum cut of restock that can go to jobbers only is 75% with 25% as the restock portion; and that it is also possible to just give all shares to all participants in the voyage (100%).

We also all know that jobbers want to be compensated for their time and that the crew which is hiring, wants to gain a profit for their voyages.

Players need to know the right balance of pay settings and jobbing cut values for booty division.

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Let us examine ALL of the Booty Share Settings and analyze the pros and cons. All analysis assumes Cabin Person is a PUNISH rank.

Even
1 - Jobbing pirate
1 - Cabin person
1 - Pirate
1 - Officer
1 - Fleet officer
1 - Senior officer
1 - Captain


+ This setting is perfect for a smooth, no pressure, pillaging voyage. All players will know that they will all receive the same payment after a victorious sea battle. They will also have an equal share of whatever percentage goes to each participant during booty division.

- Because of the Even pay for any person onboard, players will not be as motivated to perform their best unless they are already experienced and skilled enough to perform their station with excellence and are focused on maintaining their rank with practice. There is no incentive to do your best for the casual player.

The best restock percentage to balance out this equal pay to all, and also give profit to the running crew, would be 15% (+/- 3% percent). 85% is split equally to each person assuming they participated in every battle. 15% is a justified value which will guarantee a good profit for casual pillages with an acceptable amount of wins and minimal losses.

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Rank's Privilege
3 - Jobbing pirate
2 - Cabin person
3 - Pirate
4 - Officer
4 - Fleet officer
4 - Senior officer
4 - Captain


+ This setting is the best setting for encouraging non-officers to gain experience and learn how to become an officer to perform their own pillages or be a part of a pillage and have orders delegated to them. This is one of the best setting for punishing a person into the cabin rank so they will have to either leave the crew, or redeem themselves to gain more pay in pillages.

Jobbers who like the crew will join and have more pay when they are a part of the crew as an officer.

- Jobbers may not job for this setting unless the crew is known for its successful pillages. Pirates who are unable to play enough to rise in rank will leave the crew who give faster promotion rates or gain support from the crew to become an officer quickly.

A justified restock setting is 10% (+/- 2%). 90% go to the participants. Because the officers already have a bonus pay privilege and the crew ship will receive 10% restock, it is only fair to give extra percentages to the jobbers and pirates.

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Jobber's Delight
5 - Jobbing pirate
3 - Cabin person
4 - Pirate
4 - Officer
4 - Fleet officer
4 - Senior officer
4 - Captain


+ Attracts jobbers quickly. This is the perfect setting for getting people onboard for any voyage. It also gives equal pay to all members of the running crew.

+ Best for SMH voyages.

- Pirates in the crew technically get the least pay because they do not get extra pay unless they are officers. By that, we can say that officers typically gain extra profit themselves while the pirates gain less pay than jobbers. +1 your pirate members if you want to give them that recompense.

The best restock percentage for this setting would be 15% (+/- 5%). Around 15% is perfect because this is a setting typically used by crews who want to give fair compensation for ALL participants. Jobbers get that bonus extra share for making the crew able to successfully carry out their task and the crew ship gains profits retaining around 10-20% of the gathered split. Jobbers already get extra shares, and depending on ANY voyage, the crew can restock on equipment that were expended to carry out the voyage. It is a justified, balanced amount with a proper setting. It is a very good 2-way agreement between the hiring crew, and the hired jobbers. Anything outside of the range would defeat the purpose of trying to get a profit by giving that bonus pay for jobbers, or will have you seen as a crew who will just expend jobbers for their time.

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Crew Loyalty
4 - Jobbing pirate
4 - Cabin person
5 - Pirate
5 - Officer
5 - Fleet officer
5 - Senior officer
5 - Captain


+ Members in the crew will all get the same shares. This is the best setting for a private crew who do not seek to expand their numbers, and focus on primarily their inner-structure of order. The opposite is also true, it is the best setting for recruiting players and promising them to be active thus receiving higher pay cuts, than jobbers, for good voyages if they are in the crew. The equal pay for all crew members except the cabin person, makes it fair for casual crews.


- Jobbers get less shares per person.

= Jobbers are less likely to come for SMH's

A good restock value for this setting would be 12% (+/- 2%). Around 12% is a good justified value. This is not jobbers delight, yet the jobbing pirate still gets a near-fair share for their efforts. The running crew will gain profits and crew participants get the higher pay cut. The restock will guarantee profits for a skilled crew. Anything outside of the +/- range will make the crew have no profit, or make the jobbers have an even less amount of pay.

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Promotion Pays
5 - Jobbing pirate
6 - Cabin person
7 - Pirate
8 - Officer
8 - Fleet officer
9 - Senior officer
10 - Captain


+ This is the best setting for a crew who ranks pirates based on their capabilities, skills, and activity. The crew can also demand members to do their best and be responsible for the position they are in, rewarding them for the next position. This is a justified setting for players who honor skill and activity and actually care about productivity in a crew. This is great for crews who will only hire jobbers who show their skill during a pillage, then jobs them when they show decent performance to become a cabin member or pirate.

Jobbers will join the crew if they want to experience hard work and compensation of promotion.

+ Good for Elite Structured Crews

- Jobbers will not really job here unless you are a well-known crew with successful pillages. Take care that you have good B-navers in the crew with a reputation of good loot in most voyages.

- You will never have jobbers come under this setting for SMH voyages.

For the sake of the jobbers under this setting, your restock value should be at 8% (+/- 4%). Officers will always gain profits off of their voyages anyways and jobbers are already given less than average cuts. Consider the JOBBER's Cut. You as the officer, will already gain profits off of the victories. How much more as the captain?

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Officer Club
7 - Jobbing pirate
5 - Cabin person
7 - Pirate
8 - Officer
8 - Fleet officer
9 - Senior officer
10 - Captain


+ Similar to Promotion Pays, Jobbers have equal shares with Pirates in the crew. This setting is the best setting for a "looser" play-style under the "hard work for compensation and promotion" like Promotion Pays. Officer Club is best for primarily recruiting officers into the crew while also giving better pay according to their rank, matched with skills and satisfaction of custom requirements inside the crew.

+ Good for Structured Crews

- This setting makes jobbers and pirates have the least pay, so +1 the jobbers and pirates if you deem them good based on their performance.

- Not good for SMH's.

For a justified restock setting, we first consider the Jobber's pay and the average crew member's pay. The best restock value is 12% (+/- 2%)

Because jobbers are similar to pirates in pay, and officers gain more as they rank up, with the lead captain earning his worth, the crew will gain profits under this performance and rank up system. You do well in the crew, you get promoted to gain better voyage pay. You are a jobber wanting to earn something, you will know the percentage should be around 86-90% to make it worth while for getting the lesser victory and booty cut.


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Jobber's Bane
1 - Jobbing pirate
1 - Cabin person
2 - Pirate
2 - Officer
2 - Fleet officer
2 - Senior officer
2 - Captain


+ This setting is best for simple math and saying "You like our pillages? Join us and get twice as much percentage cuts for each victory". Good for pillages. This is great for recruiting players to come into your crew if and only if you are highly elite in pillages. Note: If and only if you are HIGHLY SKILLED in pillages with many victories.

- Not good for SMH voyages. Jobbers will most likely not come.

A good restock for this is 10% maximum and thats it. Your jobbers will come if they know participants of any kind will get 90% and the extra shares for crew members are justified with the small restock of the crew ship. Limit this setting for pillages only.

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Trader Shares
4 - Jobbing pirate
4 - Cabin person
5 - Pirate
2 - Officer
2 - Fleet officer
2 - Senior officer
2 - Captain


+ This is the best setting if you are an elite crew who can prove your skills and worth and justify a high restock percentage by compensating your jobbers and pirate members. This is also the best setting for players who understand that as they rank up they already gain pay bonuses off of their own restock percentage.

+ This is also the best setting if you want to attract jobbers for evasions and trade runs of your own from island to island for your profits, paying them per league.

= Fair for SMH Voyages with a high restock cut for the crew.

= Your pirate members in the crew get the most cut (for individual shares) compared to other participants, justifying high restock percentages.

- Casual players will not like this if they rank up and will probably not be interested in becoming an officer (if they don't know how else to get pay).

Restock percentage recommandation: 20% (+/- 5%)

This is the only setting of which you are justified if you seek to gain 25% of the looted booty. Jobbers gain more shares than officers in the crew, yet the crew ship gets 1/4 of all booty looted. It is a fair trade off.

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The Cruel Shelf
5 - Jobbing pirate
10 - Cabin person
12 - Pirate
15 - Officer
20 - Fleet officer
20 - Senior officer
20 - Captain


+ This setting is the best for private crews who will only work with friends and privately hire members into the crew. It is the best if you do not want jobbers on the voyage, yet want to retain the notion that members should prove their worth and be promoted according to their hard work, show of skill , activity and dedication and trust.

- Not good for recruiting PUBLICLY via notice board for voyages, or recruiting publicly into the crew.

- You will NEVER get jobbers for SMH runs.

Restock value for this is 5% (+/- 5%) if you ever want to consider jobbers in the play. This is why private crews who only want to run with an organized, rise and rank system with proper compensation for their status, can use this Cruel Shelf System because they will not care about jobbers unless they want to recruit privately into the crew. This setting is the WORST setting for recruiting new pirates.

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Please tell me what you all think about this guideline. As a a player who knows the officer and jobbing sides of the voyaging mechanic of the game, I have thought of this hopefully well balanced and justified group of setting if so ever anyone wishes to choose any of these other settings.
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You could have saved all that typing,
https://yppedia.puzzlepirates.com/Booty_share

 
Let us examine ALL of the Booty Share Settings and analyze the pros and cons. All analysis assumes Cabin Person is a PUNISH rank.

Even
1 - Jobbing pirate
1 - Cabin person
1 - Pirate
1 - Officer
1 - Fleet officer
1 - Senior officer
1 - Captain

+ This setting is perfect for a smooth, no pressure, pillaging voyage. All players will know that they will all receive the same payment after a victorious sea battle. They will also have an equal share of whatever percentage goes to each participant during booty division.

- Because of the Even pay for any person onboard, players will not be as motivated to perform their best unless they are already experienced and skilled enough to perform their station with excellence and are focused on maintaining their rank with practice. There is no incentive to do your best for the casual player.

The best restock percentage to balance out this equal pay to all, and also give profit to the running crew, would be 15% (+/- 3% percent). 85% is split equally to each person assuming they participated in every battle. 15% is a justified value which will guarantee a good profit for casual pillages with an acceptable amount of wins and minimal losses.


In kades yes. In a pillage no. EVEN pay is each person gets the same cut. There are no performance intensives in pillages it would be nice if there was.

 
Rank's Privilege
not worth discussing

 
Jobber's Delight
5 - Jobbing pirate
3 - Cabin person
4 - Pirate
4 - Officer
4 - Fleet officer
4 - Senior officer
4 - Captain

+ Attracts jobbers quickly. This is the perfect setting for getting people onboard for any voyage. It also gives equal pay to all members of the running crew.

+ Best for SMH voyages.

- Pirates in the crew technically get the least pay because they do not get extra pay unless they are officers. By that, we can say that officers typically gain extra profit themselves while the pirates gain less pay than jobbers. +1 your pirate members if you want to give them that recompense.

The best restock percentage for this setting would be 15% (+/- 5%). Around 15% is perfect because this is a setting typically used by crews who want to give fair compensation for ALL participants. Jobbers get that bonus extra share for making the crew able to successfully carry out their task and the crew ship gains profits retaining around 10-20% of the gathered split. Jobbers already get extra shares, and depending on ANY voyage, the crew can restock on equipment that were expended to carry out the voyage. It is a justified, balanced amount with a proper setting. It is a very good 2-way agreement between the hiring crew, and the hired jobbers. Anything outside of the range would defeat the purpose of trying to get a profit by giving that bonus pay for jobbers, or will have you seen as a crew who will just expend jobbers for their time.


Best for SMH, I strongly disagree your crew is going to be loyal and most likely see you to port and they are punished with less pay there is nothing technical about it jobbers get 1 more share.

 
Crew Loyalty
Not really worth discussing, but if you do primarily in crew runs I guess I wouldn't job.

 
Promotion Pays
For greedy scuppers Wouldn't join or job.

 
Jobber's Bane
For greedy scuppering crews Wouldn't join or job.

 
Trader Shares
Don't think I have ever seen this on the board
 
This is also the best setting if you want to attract jobbers for evasions and trade runs of your own from island to island for your profits, paying them per league.
Trade

See also: Trading
When set to trade, the officer has specified that the ship is moving cargo, and will probably not pursue enemies in battle. The officer can then set an average amount of PoE that each jobber will earn per league point. The amount that a player will actually earn is based on his or her performance during that league, compared with the rest of the crew. A player who performs better than average will earn more PoE than a player who performs below average.
In order to pay players, there must be enough PoE in the hold to pay jobbers.
Better performance at the navigation puzzle will reduce brigand spawn while en route. This was hinted in the Release_2007-06-14.

 

The Cruel Shelf
For greedy scuppers Wouldn't join or job.
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To Filthy Jake,

People don't realize that the officer in charge has the option to take the RESTOCK POE from the voyage, and RE-DIVIDE THEM, after jobbers leave the ship, and they all get their appropriate bonus cuts after the jobbers leave.

Why do you think its called the "crew cut".

This is just me, but if I get like a 20k Profit off of a simple baglah pillage, based on the cost of all the starting stock, and I profit 15k After restocking, I would re-divide that 15,000 to the CREW minus the Jobbers who usually leave after the first division without factoring in the restock.

The NORM, is that the officer in charge takes all of the POE. For crew loyalty sake, I would redistribute that POE, to participating members, which is why I choose crew loyalty.

Jobbers who stay get that extra bonus too, but if they want more, come into the crew. Notice that I am adding optional content into the game by generously re-dividing BONUS profits.

If at all, if the Jobber gets less cuts compared to any officer who runs their pillages, would it be fair if the restock percentage was 0 percent? Least that would somewhat make it fair then.

Remember, this is all about the officer(s) in charge vs the jobber. Obviously, some of these settings will not have jobbers come at all. Also, I am highlighting the differences in the pay cuts based on their rank.

I have only ever seen jobbers delight, and even for most of the time. I am just thinking that the restock percentage should compensate for any other settings crews which to choose.I don't want Jobber's Delight, and Even to be the dominating or monopolizing settings, so to speak. It will make other crews have a bad reputation, if they do not choose Jobber's Delight or Even.

I choose the Crew Loyalty system, and I think "The Royal Navy" Crew should use that setting, i forgot if they do or not, but they are the current highly active and high member crew.With a 10% restock, 90% will be distributed to jobbers and members with members getting that extra share and +1 to jobbers if they are present at division or are noted for exceptional performance, and -1 for horrible disruption.

All I'm saying is that I am okay if other crews choose other division settings so long as they give a good reason for doing so that balances out the whole thing.
Obviously there are settings which are basically theft, but if there is a way to make it "fair" players should be creative in adding something to justify it.

If jobbers are going to get less pay than the crew, the hiring crew could promote "top pay" during pillage battles or make a fun performance based pay.
If someone does incredible in a battle pillage they can get 250 poe maybe from the officer or crew member in charge.

I'm just saying I am realizing these other settings can be fun if people know how to add to them and make it fair.Cruel Shelf is obviously greed grab, that's the point. It's unpopular for the GENERAL public, but its there for those types of players.

I see that Trader's share is fair if you go 25% restock, and you will kill yourself financially if you go 0%, see what I mean?

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I choose crew loyalty for now. Jobbers who come will get less pay than my own crew members and besides.. if you wanted more pay wouldn't you just run your own pillage and make your profit off of the restock? The officer in charge already gets bonus for post-restocking profits. I also know that jobbers make most of their money elsewhere, and I want crew members to know they get more in being a part of the crew, than not being a part of the crew. That is my current mindset.

Of course, no one sticks to a certain booty share all the time, it depends on what you are going for. You can switch it to jobbers delight for a long pillage, and back to crew loyalty for short ones with crew mates and any jobbers who wanna tag along. Or go even if you just wanna be casual. I am here to just promote any setting.

If Cruel shelf is in place, there better be tops for competition for the jobbers with HIGH pay outs. You see what I mean about adding personal and creating content? That is what I read out of these other options. Players can create content out of these unpopular options. I know everyone would just say "stick to Even or Jobbers Delight".

What about crews who want to promote loyalty + performance for promotion? Pillage with us and the hire you go and the more shares you get for the pillage. The thing about the booty shares is that it is supposed to be affiliated with certain crew structure styles. SMH's have taken over, and with the higher pay and injection of greed purses it makes pillaging much more decent for income.

I am here to promote that there will be some players who will not mind other settings. You just need to add something to justify it, like adjusting the restock. Make it 0% restock if you want loyal members to profit and jobbers to profit a little bit, but you will still gain a profit since you are being paid the highest as an officer, and the jobber gets the benefit of just tagging a long.

"Probably wouldn't job"

Would you join an EVEN voyage which will FAIL, or a "crew Loyalty" that has been succeeding forever more? Or would you job at a "Jobbers Delight" which loses every other pillage, or job at a "promotion pays" which wins every single battle?

You say people are greedy, but they deserve to have most shares if they can skillfully earn the loot on their voyages and then give the cuts to the jobbers who benefit off of the running crew. Just my take! Anyone else who wants to share their reply? I like this discussion.

Remember, from the point of view of a Jobber:

You can get more pay from a successful Crew Loyalty or Promotion pays Pillage, and get less pay from a failed EVEN pillage.

Though the cuts are larger for you in even, or jobbers delight, your TOTAL compensation for time playing could be less than that of a successful crew loyalty or promotion pays pillage/voyage.

It also depends on the success of the voyage, rather than the setting. The opposite is of course true, there will be poor crew loyalty pillages, and great jobbers delight pillages.


If I hear that a crew loyalty setting voyage is successful, i would job at it, and if I job at a jobbers delight which fails, I would kindly say I want to leave because I don't believe in the success (in my mind i guess, and give some lame excuse to leave the pillage). Let's all be honest, we all want pay for our worth but the RUNNERS of the voyage deserve their extra pays.

If you're going to call THEM greedy, why are you ONLY jobbing for the JOBBERS DELIGHT, and EVEN settings? They are generous for doing that because YOU get more pay cuts than the crew members.

I want my own crew to have a fair pay for being a part of the crew which is why I choose crew loyalty. If I am a strict crew organizer, I would choose Officer Club and players who know they should only deserve certain privileges would join that crew because they want to be respected for their position and have a justified rank.

The thing about these settings now is that people only focus on the money, and not the experience, not the hard-work. Remember what I said! I know Officers will feel more worthy if they are in an Officer Club setting and worked hard to gain extra pay cuts. Jobbers should understand they are ONLY JOBBERS.

There is a reason why people have options to leave and join crews.

My standing is between the Officer in Charge and the Jobber. What does the Jobber deserve, based on the Officer's or Captains desire to have performed under the system. And what do the leading officer(s) or Captain deserve, based on providing jobbers their pay cuts based on utilizing their own assets to have those jobbers be paid in the first place!
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I have only ever seen jobbers delight, and even for most of the time. I am just thinking that the restock percentage should compensate for any other settings crews which to choose.I don't want Jobber's Delight, and Even to be the dominating or monopolizing settings, so to speak. It will make other crews have a bad reputation, if they do not choose Jobber's Delight or Even.

Its the way it is, I can understand your point and your going to divide the extra but you now how many say they are going split blood then put 5k in and call it good.

I mean your free to do what you want but the most "fair" for all on the ship is allays going to be even Jobbers nor crew deserve more.

Restock cut varies heavy on many variables. SMH Sinky, Greedy, A Ult naver who will go undefeated, Small Med or large balls as you can make poe with a 5% restock on a sloop but on a faunch would lose as the cost of stock is to high.

I tend to job for Even payers, or JD 80% or higher, but that is me. I don't bother with the others. I find my self jobbing with my crew more in even pay then Jobbers Delight.
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To FilthyJake,

thank you for the kind discussion!

Yeah I am not arguing out of dissent or anger , but just wanted to point out something. You as a jobber are also free to job for whoever you want to of course, I am not changing anyone's reason to job, but making them understand and respect other crews who choose to maintain a setting that is not in agreement with some jobbers!

Thanks ye!
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