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The developers lowered the maximum tables on poker on the basis of not wanting a small amount of pirates to be able to quickly hoard massive amounts of PoE, however that change is irrelevant when people can still wager any amount on SF or rumble.

The change to poker tables is dumb if you are going to allow gamblers who are good at SF to continue to wager large amounts, while gamblers who prefer poker cannot do the same.

It's lopsided and should be fixed, either up the poker cap or lower the other wagering methods as well.
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Ah, but poker is based much more on luck than either SF or Rumble. You see, if you want rack in the money with those, you have to actually have more than just an ounce of knowledge about how the puzzle works.

Simply put: Rumble and Sword Fight are not the same as Poker. Poker is luck based with a little skill, while Rumble and SF are skill based with hardly any luck. (I guess a little more on SF than on Rumble) Rumble and SF also imply that you are a little more dedicated to Puzzle Pirates itself, where as Poker is an everyday parlor game that can be played on hundreds of other programs.

If you wanna play Poker in YPP, go ahead! However, it shouldn't be why you play YPP. The nerf to buy-ins simply shows that. However, If you want to play SF or Rumble, that can very well be why you play YPP.
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Favoring one type of gambling over the other defeats the purpose of the change, the whole point was to not allow a small group of players be able to pool huge amounts of money. Instead of gambling 200k on poker, gambling 200k on SF or rumble is no different, it has the same effect. It isn't about one puzzle / game being more 'skill' than 'luck'.

Your argument towards not capping wagering on SF is "because it's more dedicated to the game"? Nerfing poker had nothing to do with why people played puzzle pirates, it had to do with stopping a small group of players from hoarding wealth. The method may be different but the effect on the game is the same. A small group of players who are good at SF / Rumble can hoard cash in an unfair way that 95% of the rest of the player base has no ability to compete with in any way shape or form.
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Have to say I agree, it should be capped all around the board. Hearts, Spades, TD and Drinking too.
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Poker was a huge problem in other oceans because it is a unique kind of gambling. It is very addictive, and when you lose you blame luck and want to play again and again. As a result, unskilled poker players lose tons of money without realizing it.

On the other hand, sf and rumble are less addictive and people are more conscious of their skill. If they lose a couple of times they will know they need to practice before they wager again. And if they are confident with their skill and they wager, chances are the matches will be fair.

Finally, games like hearts and spades just aren't popular enough to cause such problems.
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As mentioned above, SF and Rumble are mostly skill-based puzzles, so I agree they should not have wager limits.

However, if the issue is "don't allow rapid wealth accumulation through puzzles", wouldn't putting a rake on wagers suffice? It makes less thematic sense than a poker rake, but would serve the same purpose.

And a related question: I know that wager limits increase as experience increases. Does this apply to items? Or could a Novice/Able playing their first match wager several shoppes and an LE Grand Frigate?
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If people are amassing large amounts of PoE in Poker it means they're consistently taking it from other people playing the same puzzle. So it's quite obvious that the puzzle also requires some level of skill, not just luck.

The difference with Poker is that it's easier to pick up and get started, whereas becoming somewhat good at Swordfighting takes consistent practise and expertise. You don't see Master level swordfighters wagering upwards of millions, only the top 1% of the puzzle are able to wager and earn that much PoE.
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20k poker wouldnt be a bad idea... But i do agree. that if poker was nerfed to 2k because people cant control their wages or their addiction.. then why does hearts, spades, drinking, get to have 200k+ games... SF and rumble you can still wager fams, ships etc... If it was nerfed down to 2k but you can play hearts at 2m 200m. We get punished becasue other people cant control their addiction? SO do goverments need to ban listerine because a small group use it to get drunk?... 10k table doesnt sound bad either...
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20k poker wouldnt be a bad idea... But i do agree. that if poker was nerfed to 2k because people cant control their wages or their addiction.. then why does hearts, spades, drinking, get to have 200k+ games... SF and rumble you can still wager fams, ships etc... If it was nerfed down to 2k but you can play hearts at 2m 200m. We get punished becasue other people cant control their addiction? SO do goverments need to ban listerine because a small group use it to get drunk?... 10k table doesnt sound bad either...

A SMALL group? Pls... Poker had become the center of everything in Poker Pirates. How can you compare it to the other activities? They are nowhere as popular as poker used to be. If wagering at hearts or even swordfighting reaches to the point where they control the economy of the game, then they will also need to be nerfed.
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SF is a game of skill, and a piracy puzzle. Wagering on that is entirely in keeping with the game. It's also far less amenable to people just throwing more and more money at losing, so it won't be as unbalancing.

The other card games should be limited too, I agree with that.
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The developers lowered the maximum tables on poker on the basis of not wanting a small amount of pirates to be able to quickly hoard massive amounts of PoE, however that change is irrelevant when people can still wager any amount on SF or rumble.

The change to poker tables is dumb if you are going to allow gamblers who are good at SF to continue to wager large amounts, while gamblers who prefer poker cannot do the same.

It's lopsided and should be fixed, either up the poker cap or lower the other wagering methods as well.


Disagree. Large wagers on non-poker tables have existed for as long as the game has. The reason it was a problem with Poker is because there is no downtime to the poe generation. Once you hop on the table it just keeps feeding more and more poe into the good player's hands.

With more generalized challenges, the risk to any one individual is higher, rather than distributed like it is under poker. Additionally, folks are far more reluctant to enter a 1 on 1 wager with highly skilled players than at poker where they might be able to still siphon off some profit anyway.

The wagers for non-poker parlor games just don't have the same economic impact that poker does.
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