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Comrades! Men and women compatriots!

The perfidious navy attack by fascist Netflix and Kill on our Fatherland is continuing.
In spite of the heroic resistance of the Red Army, and although the enemy’s finest divisions and finest sea units have already been smashed and have met their doom in battle, the enemy continues to push forward, hurling fresh forces to the front.
The fascist war fleet is extending the range of their operations, bombing Napi Peak, Labyrinth Moors, Delta, Turtle, Namath, Papaya, Winter Solstice, Tinga and Nu.

Grave danger overhangs our ocean.


When: Saturday, 11/06/2016, noon game time
Pay: 6000 Soviet Rubles per segment and rising
Sinking: Yes
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Unfortunately I won't be able to make it for the fun :( Celebrating a family members birthday tomorrow, but good luck Babylon! :D Would have loved to be there to shoot at some certain people
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That would be a shame if the first pvp kade in months was cheapened by you pay warring them.
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They were aware of our pay conditions on certain islands a week before they dropped.

The jobbing numbers are so low on Cerulean that it's probably a good idea to set the pay high from the start. It will benefit both sides. Especially when we're spread over 9 islands.
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Oh boy oh boy oh boy....... I get to be used and abused again! Good luck, gang. Should be fun. :)
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They were aware of our pay conditions on certain islands a week before they dropped


And it's a terrible policy, assuming you are trying to help the ocean at large/encourage blockading and not just win at all costs.
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If a new flag comes to us and says they want to blockade but are short on Poe then obviously we'd negotiate. But you don't get to spend over 1m Poe on dropping 9 warchests and then complain afterwards about jobber pay. Come on now...
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If a new flag comes to us and says they want to blockade but are short on Poe then obviously we'd negotiate. But you don't get to spend over 1m Poe on dropping 9 warchests and then complain afterwards about jobber pay. Come on now...


I don't see why not. If you want a fair kade, you should pay the same amount. Doesn't have to be more complicated than that. You say you're fully prepared, so why use a crutch like a pay war?
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I don't see why not. If you want a fair kade, you should pay the same amount. Doesn't have to be more complicated than that. You say you're fully prepared, so why use a crutch like a pay war?

A fair blockade would be a single island drop.

Not bashing on anyone, just pointing out that both sides are doing what they feel they need to in order to get an advantage.
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A fair blockade would be a single island drop.


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Looks like we did pay the same, 10k/seg, no?
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During the last round, yes, but only because the game would not allow you to raise it any higher. I can understand why you're reluctant to pay the same though. You seemed to have trouble when jobbing numbers were even.
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Netflix matched at 6k, this did go to 7.5k to match when Babylon raised again, Babylon raised again to 10k, which wasn't matched by Netflix until round 5. Considering they were outjobbing some would say the upping of pay wasn't necessary but that was Babylon's choice to make.

The matching of 10k for round 5 was as a thank you to the jobbers that had stuck it out for 5 rounds with Netflix, as they had already stated they would not enter a paywar.
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During the last round, yes, but only because the game would not allow you to raise it any higher. I can understand why you're reluctant to pay the same though. You seemed to have trouble when jobbing numbers were even.

Our team did a great job to defend 4/9. It's obviously not as easy for defenders in mass drops like these so I don't think it's unreasonable to raise pay when we're down on jobbers. I'm not sure where you get the idea from that we're reluctant to pay the same or that we're pay Waring. We paid the same for 90% of the blockade and there was never any pay war. In fact, the only person who seems to be complaining about the pay is you.

Overall I'm happy with the result even if it's disappointing to lose a large chunk of your islands. Netflix did win Delta which gave them the edge. But we'll probably see a clearer result over the next weeks.
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I was only here for a fifth round, so I can only gauge from that. As the results show Babylon losing 4-5, we feel we didn't struggle per se, but made the best of a rough situation. Typically from experience, the flag that is attacking during a multi-drop has the advantage, as the defender has to follow and can seldom play proactively.

That being said, I'll keep the poe flowing.
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During the last round, yes, but only because the game would not allow you to raise it any higher. I can understand why you're reluctant to pay the same though. You seemed to have trouble when jobbing numbers were even.

Out of curiosity, how many people were actively multi-clienting for Netflix and Kill? Only wondering because I have an idea as to how many were for Babylon, and the result is inflated jobber numbers. So it's possible that while the jobber numbers showing in /fwho were even, actual jobber numbers could be skewed.
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Considering round 5's numbers were 53 Babylon - 26 Netflix, I would imagine both sides were inflated throughout with alts.

As for being behind in jobbers, from rounds 2-5 Babylon had more jobbers, with only round 1 seeing Netflix with an advantage.


For the postive, Cerulean saw 130 people logged on (yes a lot of alts) but it can only be a good thing to see activity right?
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I'm not really wondering about what the jobber ratio was, I'm simply curious as to how skewed the jobber numbers are because of multi-clienting.
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Well, typically, I'm on 4-5 clients, Fourteen 4-5, so there's an extra 6-8 jobbers that aren't full people.
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I know Babylon's numbers, silly. I would venture to say that at the "53" number for Babylon, anywhere between 12-20 of those were multi-clients (not sure when the peak was).
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It's also important to distinguish between jobbing numbers and effective jobbers. The number of jobbing pirates you see on a flag's page can be distorted if you don't consider the effectiveness of each jobber (how many jobbers are effectively influencing flags on the board?). It can be influenced by a number of factors, one of which Majestrate already pointed out.
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And I was merely responding to his post about numbers, it isn't anything more than that. As I stated both sides had to be effectively using alts to manage 9 islands at once, this isn't about X used more than Y alts to do whatever.

And again to repeat myself, the ocean finally got some activity, people should be celebrating it and making good of it, not whining about it, but that part seems to have gone un-noticed.
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And again to repeat myself, the ocean finally got some activity, people should be celebrating it and making good of it, not whining about it, but that part seems to have gone un-noticed.


I don't think that's true on the whole. From what I can tell, everyone had a really enjoyable evening. But there are always exceptions.
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And I was merely responding to his post about numbers, it isn't anything more than that. As I stated both sides had to be effectively using alts to manage 9 islands at once, this isn't about X used more than Y alts to do whatever.

And again to repeat myself, the ocean finally got some activity, people should be celebrating it and making good of it, not whining about it, but that part seems to have gone un-noticed.

I thought you were replying to me, not someone else.

If you think I'm whining about something, you're wrong. If that's not directed at me either, then never mind.
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