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articles on defunct crews/flags are NOT deleted, correct? Reply to this Post
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Ref: this crew

As per standard procedure, I marked the crew as "defunct". My understanding is, we keep these articles for historical purposes; we do not delete them.

Question for the Admins: Has this policy changed? If not, then this article should not be "proposed for deletion", correct? (And in either case, where is this policy documented, please? I checked but could not find it.)

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Maintenance templates should not be removed until the issue is addressed. In this case, a proposed deletion template was placed by a concerned editor. At this point, the focus moves to the article's talk page where editors discuss policy and achieve a consensus. Then a closing administrator comes along, evaluates the policy and consensus, and makes a decision. S/he would either delete the article, or remove the template and close the discussion.

The only maintenance templates that should be removed by editors are those which are obviously frivolous or disruptive, or those for which the underlying issue has been solved: e.g., {{cleanupfor}} can be zapped after we add an infobox, wikilinks, and appropriate categories.
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To answer all the questions in as simple a response as possible: No, the policy has not changed. For the most part, deletion of articles happens extremely rarely and only in instances in which the article should not have been created in the first place (i.e. does not comply with the requirements for articleship on the YPPedia) has been rendered useless by the creation of a different article, or other mitigating circumstances that require permanent removal from the system. Outside of those very specific reasons, all other articles are just categorized properly and fade into the ether as part of the historical record.

Since a deletion request has been made, we'll follow standard rules and discuss and then vote on it. Once a decision has been made, we can move forward from there.

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/edit Fanklin, here is the current YPPedia policies regarding deletion of articles. They almost word for word mirror the policies of Wikipedia. http://yppedia.puzzlepirates.com/YPPedia:Deletion
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Vote on it? I thought decisions were made by consensus, not votes. What if the "support" votes are not based in policy or guidelines?
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You'll have to forgive me for somewhat amending my position here, it's been a while since I was active and had to consult a few resources before really getting a grip on this. Ok, a couple of clarifications and then an explanation. Decisions on the YPPedia are made by community consensus. Consensus is arrived at via votes in the affirmative and negative through the page's talk page. That is how it has always been done on the YPPedia and on most of the major wiki's available as standard procedure. Votes are used for deletion requests, major edit requests, defense of content in article requests...etc and, for the most part, community majority rules.

Now, to the issue of the two articles mentioned in this thread. Upon further review, nether of these articles violates any of the policies the YPPedia has for articleship. They do not contain vandalism, scribbling, content contrary to the TOS, or non-encyclopedic information and infact each contain specific content not available through a simple yoweb search thereby making them historically relevant. As such, they should not be applicable for deletion. Both pages will be returned to their pre-deletion template status however the votes and discussions will be preserved on the talk pages. Further discussion on this issue may be relegated to said talk pages and deletion may be revisited if a compelling argument is made at a future date.

I hope this clears a few things up.

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Since you mentioned major wikis; en.wikipedia.org uses the term "!vote " because consensus is achieved by editing*, discussion and citing policy and guidelines, and typically not by a poll (although straw polls are allowed, there exist caveats for holding them, and the discussion is still called !vote.)

*Yes, consensus is generally expressed through the collaborative editing process. Much of a wiki's non-controversial decisions are made without resorting to discussions. An editor may make a change, and someone else may improve on her contributions. Another editor may delete a section without explanation, and someone else will revert him, showing that he did not have consensus to remove the section. Over time, an article reflects consensus more and more as it is edited by various contributors. Discussion is a dispute-resolution process that happens when the normal editing process fails, such as in an edit war, or a protected article where the parties cannot edit directly but instead propose changes.
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