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Hulla amigo's, this thread is purely for people to put ideas together in order to bring this game back to where it was several years ago.

To start off, obviously every game is going to go through its rough patches where players will give up or get bored, and maybe people just don't find puzzle games amusing anymore. But in my opinion its not the the parts of the game letting it down, but purely the things pushing new players away.

I believe the low population isn't due to the lack of advertising although thats definately a contributing factor, in my opinion its this rule, 'ban evasion' and the lack of consistency in permanent bans and the ban appeal system.

I'm just going to name a very cases that most of the community will know about. Lets start off with Kyubi and Skandalous being banned, now lets just leave any suspicions we had of these people breaking any other rules and stick to what they were banned for. Now Kyubi, a constand blockader giving back to the community and overal making a lot of fun for people with whatever shit he does, then Skandalous much the same. Ky banned for account sharing (Letting someone on his account so they could wear his fam) then Skandalous who received a sloop and a few shitty items and got banned as those items were hacked and she received them. Both cases turned down at the ban appeal stage.

Then we look at another case, Furkeyno, received a shop, reported and then banned for RMT, his ban was later revoked as the person that reported him was found to be lieing, then Joshsivils, although he's banned now for whatever shit reason OOO has, he was unbanned after ban evading for however long.

I mean, where is the consistancy there, two players that did two very little things and turned away by the game, to the other two who were let back to play.

Now what I'm really saying is they should be more leniant on the bannings, as new players that join and do one thing wrong can be turned away from the game forever with one ban. I also belive ban evasion should be left out, as starting again is a big enough punnishment in itself, is it not?

With atleast 70% of the community being evaders, they have no security in their account, therefore less likely to buy dubs to then help the game out.

These are just a few ideas, please leave yours below.

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Well hello mate.

We should blame Three Rings for all this? Perhaps.
Should you come out with who you really are and not post behind an alt? Perhaps.
Would it be nice that you filter the words on the forums that are filtered in-game? Yes.

...but really, what you're saying is that breaking the rules and being banned for it, is not okay? The reasons to ban a player, that are set by Three Rings, are not right reasons, even though the decision is made by Three Rings (who sets the rules)? Are you sure that none of the banned players aren't ban evading and thus just proving that the ban has been given to the right person?
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I'm not saying that people don't deserve the bans they are given. But I mean, say someone new comes to the game, yet to learn every nit pick rule, breaks it, then is never allowed to play safely on an account, that is saying they know how to ban plea, but even then there chances are slim unless they have spent real money to buy dubs in which the OM's seem to suddenly feel sympothy to them. Weird that.

I'm just asking for conisistancy, especially through ban plea's, how somehow Skandalous's case was dismissed and players like Josh or Furkey were un-banned?

But honestly if someones banned for breaking the rules, then come back to play again, its saying they like the game and would like to play, now then if this player breaks no rules and is clean for how ever many months, I don't believe its fair to then ban them.

As I said before, this is just my opinion.
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Let's be honest here. Unless you're player X that has been banned, you're most likely not going to know the full details their case or what they were banned for. It's kind of hard to call inconsistency without knowing all the details, and bringing up other player's situations on the forums isn't going to help their cases.

Yes, you can say you've been told what happened, but hearing something second hand =/= knowing the truth.
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Let's be honest here. Unless you're player X that has been banned, you're most likely not going to know the full details their case or what they were banned for. It's kind of hard to call inconsistency without knowing all the details, and bringing up other player's situations on the forums isn't going to help their cases.

Yes, you can say you've been told what happened, but hearing something second hand =/= knowing the truth.

Ban appeals and that aside, I think the main point of my argument is ban evading, and I'd like to hear peoples opinions of scrapping it. If someone wants to play this game bad enough to be banned then come back, if they aren't breaking rules, why shouldn't they?

Then again, this would also make it easier for PoE sellers and people that use this game to make profit for themselves to work. But other than that, I think scrapping Ban evasion would increase population and give people more security with their accounts, therefore more likely to spend money.
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I'll just throw out my opinion as a "gamer."


Games nowadays are hitting on the "Major League Gaming" Environment. So to speak, franchises like Call of Duty and Halo and computer wise, League of Legends hit that aspect and welcome gamers who can go after the pure aspect of the game. They wouldn't have to earn "PoE" or "Doubloons" to be good at a game, they could just game on.

If OOO ever wanted to get more people (Which I honestly don't know), they would probably have to bring back a modified version of OCLs. Due to the fact that people multi client or evade, this would probably never happen. Also they would have to put in Real life objects aka Cold hard cash to actually draw attention.

Note I don't think they will do this but if anyone wanted to put out, do it. Get something to grab people to say "Hey this isn't a cade" or some stupid barnacle like that.


Actually I wouldn't mind running an OCL somewhat event for Sea Battle but I don't think people want to fight over minimal poe.And yes, I know this is in silver.
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Ban appeals and that aside, I think the main point of my argument is ban evading, and I'd like to hear peoples opinions of scrapping it.


My opinion is No.

All of us were new players once. Most of us managed to use a little common sense and not run afoul of a "nit-picky rule."
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One of the exact reasons that I liked this game at the beginning and I am still playing it six and a half years later is because of the strict enforcement of the Terms of Service. To me, Puzzle Pirates is a game that can be played with a minimum of stress worrying if someone is going to rip me off or be rude or cheat me. This kind of behavior does happen to be sure, but it is dealt with appropriately and the ban evasion rules are there to make sure that troublemakers never come back to repeat their troublesome ways. My crew, created four and a half years ago, has been peaceful and fun-loving and generous with promotions without having to worry about jerks stealing from ships. We had a couple of small-scale thefts from people we inappropriately trusted, but that is all. When I submit a complaint about someone it generally invokes action against them. It is very satisfying to play the game with people who observe the rules faithfully. Thanks, OMs, for keeping it a fun game all of these years.
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First off, I can not take you seriously when you hide behind a forum alt. Show yourself and act like a real man (or woman).

Secondly, your statement that 70% of the community are ban evaders is wrong. No where close to that.

Thirdly, You dwindle the chances of yourself getting banned if you actually READ the ToS... Rather than clicking yes I read it. There is a difference.


My opinion? You are someone who has gotten banned multiple times due to evading.

Hope these ideas help bring the game back to where it was.... Oh wait...
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First off, I can not take you seriously when you hide behind a forum alt. Show yourself and act like a real man (or woman).


Soz bruh, I forgot how weak I am that I havent put my pirate name in my sig, soz bout it champ.

 
Secondly, your statement that 70% of the community are ban evaders is wrong. No where close to that.


Look again dude. In the 10 year video OOO made, I believe it was 6Mil(Correct me if I'm wrong) registerred players. So I'd say atleast 50% are banned/ban evading.

 
Thirdly, You dwindle the chances of yourself getting banned if you actually READ the ToS... Rather than clicking yes I read it. There is a difference.


So every person thats looking for a bit of fun for a bit and enters this game for the first time ever is going to spend an hour going over the fine print? I doubt more then 50 people to ever play this game have.


 
My opinion? You are someone who has gotten banned multiple times due to evading.

Hope these ideas help bring the game back to where it was.... Oh wait...


Your opinion is correct. I'm just sad to see this game go from where it was a couple years ago to where it is now. A few people that sit on the dock all day not socialising at all, now if thats what they find fun, so be it. Just don't ban the people wanting to make fun for people.
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First off, I can not take you seriously when you hide behind a forum alt. Show yourself and act like a real man (or woman).


Soz bruh, I forgot how weak I am that I havent put my pirate name in my sig, soz bout it champ.

 
Secondly, your statement that 70% of the community are ban evaders is wrong. No where close to that.


Look again dude. In the 10 year video OOO made, I believe it was 6Mil(Correct me if I'm wrong) registerred players. So I'd say atleast 50% are banned/ban evading.

 
Thirdly, You dwindle the chances of yourself getting banned if you actually READ the ToS... Rather than clicking yes I read it. There is a difference.


So every person thats looking for a bit of fun for a bit and enters this game for the first time ever is going to spend an hour going over the fine print? I doubt more then 50 people to ever play this game have.


 
My opinion? You are someone who has gotten banned multiple times due to evading.

Hope these ideas help bring the game back to where it was.... Oh wait...


Your opinion is correct. I'm just sad to see this game go from where it was a couple years ago to where it is now. A few people that sit on the dock all day not socialising at all, now if thats what they find fun, so be it. Just don't ban the people wanting to make fun for people.
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Secondly, your statement that 70% of the community are ban evaders is wrong. No where close to that.


Look again dude. In the 10 year video OOO made, I believe it was 6Mil(Correct me if I'm wrong) registerred players. So I'd say atleast 50% are banned/ban evading.

You have to take in consideration of alts. Many people have many accounts with alts. That is not classified as ban evading because it is legal.

 
 
Thirdly, You dwindle the chances of yourself getting banned if you actually READ the ToS... Rather than clicking yes I read it. There is a difference.


So every person thats looking for a bit of fun for a bit and enters this game for the first time ever is going to spend an hour going over the fine print? I doubt more then 50 people to ever play this game have.

I am not saying it is fun to read the ToS, but EVERYONE said they read it... whether they actually did or not.
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Also, 6 million registered accounts doesn't mean all those accounts are still playing. There's at least 3 accounts in my house that haven't logged in for over 2 years. No one's banned, they're just not being used.

 
So every person thats looking for a bit of fun for a bit and enters this game for the first time ever is going to spend an hour going over the fine print? I doubt more then 50 people to ever play this game have.


Do you have a driver's license? Do you know every single road rule where you live? For example, where I am:
- If your wipers are on, your headlights must also be on
- Front license plates are required
- U-turns are illegal in school zones

You're not going to successfully argue your way out of a ticket because you can't be bothered to read all the fine print. There's a saying, "ignorance of the law is no excuse."
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Look again dude. In the 10 year video OOO made, I believe it was 6Mil(Correct me if I'm wrong) registerred players. So I'd say atleast 50% are banned/ban evading.

You have to take in consideration of alts. Many people have many accounts with alts. That is not classified as ban evading because it is legal.

Given what shanghai farming was like, five million of those accounts were probably set up just for that.
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Look again dude. In the 10 year video OOO made, I believe it was 6Mil(Correct me if I'm wrong) registerred players. So I'd say atleast 50% are banned/ban evading.

You have to take in consideration of alts. Many people have many accounts with alts. That is not classified as ban evading because it is legal.

Given what shanghai farming was like, five million of those accounts were probably set up just for that.

Exactly. I know people that have 100+ alts.
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I just think you are missing the point. OOO obviously knows there population is dwindling, and yet they ban or turn away players for breaking such slight rules or something that was left out of their hands.

If it were my game, I'd be doing all I could to keep people playing that were not breaking any rules that would actually affect the game(eg. Poe Selling/Buying, Botting ect)
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I just think you are missing the point. OOO obviously knows there population is dwindling, and yet they ban or turn away players for breaking such slight rules or something that was left out of their hands.

If it were my game, I'd be doing all I could to keep people playing that were not breaking any rules that would actually affect the game(eg. Poe Selling/Buying, Botting ect)


Once again, I prefer the quality over quantity. I don't know for others, though.

I'd like to remind that the rule breakers are more likely to also hurt the business for Three Rings, by selling in-game items/currency for real life currency. Besides, basically - rules are there to be followed (in most cases) and if you set any, then stick to them. Alternatively, you can choose not to have any rules (because it's easier that way, than use your resources on doing your best to stick with them since you made them) - which again, would lead into hurting the business.
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Once again, I prefer the quality over quantity. I don't know for others, though.

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[quote][quote]Once again, I prefer the quality over quantity. I don't know for others, though.[/quote]

I guess you'd have a different opinion if you were into the game more for SMH'ing/Whatever needs a strong jobber base. But for people that play just for the social aspect and are happy to just sit in one spot and talk all day. I guess you'd have a different opinion on the matter.
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I guess you'd have a different opinion if you were into the game more for SMH'ing/Whatever needs a strong jobber base. But for people that play just for the social aspect and are happy to just sit in one spot and talk all day. I guess you'd have a different opinion on the matter.


I'll ignore the trolling part of your post.

I am viewing the matter from all the possible points of view, and I will still stick with my opinion: I prefer to have players that don't ban evade.

In case you didn't know: if less players means more waiting time for the navver, it means the same for me as a jobber for the said SMHs/Whatever voyages. I can go and play some weaving, annoy everyone in the inn, break up the dock couples, buy some pretty trinkets or just talk all day, while waiting. The navver can create an alt and do the same, you know. I still will prefer a navver that doesn't ban evade.
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I'm not sure where you got the 'trolling part of my post' from? Sorry if it came across that way, but if you played this game purely for enjoyment in times when you are bored or nothing better to do, you aren't going to want to be sitting on a ship for hours, or think I might go buy this/that whatever.

Obviously its purely opinions, and in mine, if it were my busniess I wouldnt be banning people for the slightest litter rule breaks when your game is already slowly losing its popularity as it is.
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Maybe it would be instructive if you told us what the "slightest little rule break" it was you were banned for.

I'm not missing your point. The game is 10 years old. It declines. That's what happens. Nothing lasts forever, and I don't think yet another thread about how banning people is so totally unfair is going to affect that.
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If it were my game, I'd be doing all I could to keep people playing that were not breaking any rules that would actually affect the game(eg. Poe Selling/Buying, Botting ect)


You are going to have to pick better examples here.

OOO already lets you trade real dollars for PoE via the dub exchange. Trades that happen outside the game means that OOO isn't making any money off it, and therefore it hurts OOO's bottom line. OOO needs to pay their bills, I think it is very reasonable for them to ban people who hurt them.

If OOO were to allow you to sell PoE for real dollars, they would be violating gambling laws and the game could be completely shut down by cops/feds. I think it is very reasonable for them to ban people who risk their game.

People who use bots really hurts the players and the game. Most things on YPP are relative to the player base as a whole. So for every bot scoring an Excellent, one less real player can score that well. It is hard to point out exact which player was pushed down from Excellent to Good, but there will be one. For every ship in a SMH that is being kept afloat by botters, there is almost certainly another ship that was sunk because they "only" have real players.

While you may think it is fun to buy/sell PoE and bot, allowing these things would not bring the population back, it would drive real players away.
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Once again, I prefer the quality over quantity. I don't know for others, though.

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I'll disagree here.
My opinion is that the game works best with a core of elite players with a much larger group of non-elite players.
If everyone is elite, then everyone wants to be the one in charge(because it usually pays better and it's less work), and no one is willing to do the less paying jobs.
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I also prefer quality (good law abiding pirates) over quantity.

I'm not elite in any way, shape, or form but I think I am good quality :D.

I don't think that statement was meant to be taken as quality = elite.
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I don't think that statement was meant to be taken as quality = elite.


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Im not really making any points here but figured id throw in a little tidbit. Pardon the attrocious monoblock format im stuck with due to my phone. I personally know a player in rl who was banned for technically fraudulent charges to a credit card. They ban evaded for a couple years and finally got caught and banned for evasion. After a few emails between them and ooo via the original accounts email it was decided that were they to reimburse ooo the declined payment amount, they would be unbanned. The ban evading account remains banned to this day and the original account is still actively played. Was curious as to public opinion on matters such as that.
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After a few emails between them and ooo via the original accounts email it was decided that were they to reimburse ooo the declined payment amount, they would be unbanned. The ban evading account remains banned to this day and the original account is still actively played. Was curious as to public opinion on matters such as that.

It sounds odd, but it makes perfect sense. For what it's worth, unbanning people who make good on chargebacks/declined payments/etc is a regular practice for OOO.
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I think my post was read wrong. I meant rules other than RMT or Botting don't really affect the game on a large scale, unless of course someone cleans someones cade stock ect. The smaller scale things, I'm just going to use a case people are familiar with, Kyubi letting someone onto his account to get a familiar for themself, did this hurt anyone or the economy of the game or even OOO's profit margin? No.

Was he un-banned? No.

Things like that I just don't understand, pushing people away for things that don't affect anyone else/game.
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Well maybe we should take a look at how account sharing (which is totally in the TOS, by the way) might affect the game?

Let's say I've been letting my friend Joe use my account, because Joe is super good at winning tournaments. And Joe lives in Iceland and I don't, so I've given him my login info. There's a couple things that might happen:

Joe's having a bad day at poker, but he isn't in a crew, so he logs in as me and "borrows" some money from my crew's ships. I get banned for theft! But it wasn't me! It was someone else!

Or: Joe just decides to /tip the dubs on my pirate to himself. But I spent money on those! I want them back! I file a theft complaint against Joe!

Or: Joe has been logging into my account at his home for 6 months when he tries a bilge bot and gets banned. But I'm innocent! But now my account is associated with a banned account because they both logged in from the same computer!

In all of these cases, the OMs would have to waste time and energy trying to sort out my claims - that can't be proven, mind you, because Joe was using my account. Things they cannot regulate, they have to make against the rules, or this crap would be going on all the time.

Out of curiosity, can you find me an online game where their TOS says it's totally OKAY to share accounts? Because I am pretty sure EVERY game says something to the effect of "you have a license you use this account, it is your responsibility and is not transferable to another person"
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