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Re: On behalf of SmD Royals

It's not 'your' island once the choices you make are permanent. So you can run the palace as badly as you like and that's your choice, but building placement and dropping of shoppes are issues that the ocean parley is there for. Blockading can't solve issues with buildings that don't transfer with a win.
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But it is your island in the effect that you can drop what you want where you want.

It is something that others may have a problem with but really its beyond their jurisdiction and they can only offer their opinion on what has been done (or is to be done).
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Why don't we all practice Kamuflaro's utopist ideals? Capitalism is for babies.
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Why don't we all practice Kamuflaro's utopist ideals? Capitalism is for babies.


Everyone get's a small piece of each island, and enough food rations to feed a small child. And a cell phone.
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Why don't we all practice Kamuflaro's utopist ideals? Capitalism is for babies.


Everyone get's a small piece of each island, and enough food rations to feed a small child. And a cell phone.



I call the nicest piece.
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Why don't we all practice Kamuflaro's utopist ideals? Capitalism is for babies.


Everyone get's a small piece of each island, and enough food rations to feed a small child. And a cell phone.



I call the nicest piece.


In response to Bunny's post, everyone gets 1/10th of a cell phone. Also to Ions, everyone must live on the beach while the original Royals from Utopia can have the rest.
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I vote we build our shelter on a tiny island next to our island.
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I vote we build our shelter on a tiny island next to our island.


Then we build an underground com center than runs on an electrical generator. Then in a year or so, a plane crash can ensue, which will be followed by multiple plot holes, as well as obviously terrible scriptwriting that doesn't even relate to the plot holes.
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Capitalism is a system based off competition, and competition is ultimately good for the society as a whole. It is what made the States a great country by allowing rapid economic expansion. Capitalism is strongest where regulation is the least. You don't wanna end up like Canada


Yes this is true to an extent. Strongest for who? Please check out the Industrial Revolution in the United States. Many many dirt poor people working in appalling conditions so Rockefeller can say instead of having $50 million at the time he has $100 million? Capitalism almost ceases to exist when left to run unchecked. Why? Because a few companies become so big and powerful they run everything. You want your heating? Call Standard Oil. Water? Standard Oil will get you it.

What is that? Your going to try to start up a competitive company? Well look here, either we buy you out for a dirt cheap price or my boys are going to come break your legs and throw you in the river.

Competition is not like it is made out to be. Competition most of the time has to deal with whoever starts out with the most toys. Why is Oprah such a shocking story? Because rising from the bottom to the top is extremely rare. You may say, well if there is competition you work your way to the top by selling a better and lower cost product. Most of the time, this is completely wrong. A lot of the time it has to do with who is willing to be the biggest prick and exploit the most people.
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Sherman Anti-Trust ftw!

Edit: And now, since TR was a Trust-Buster, here is a great picture.


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The problem is largely the fact that people mostly job for flags due to poe and have a little understanding of who the flag actually is and what they actually stand for.
Maybe that's because what people do to the island doesn't affect the majority of the population in any way. I don't approve of trashing an island, but to be honest, the bulk of the jobbers don't care at all.
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The only outcries I've ever seen regarding Islands, (That did not involve solely elitist members of Parley) were when a flag dropped a multitude of shoppes on an island. And even then, taking the island away before a flag can continue such practices can be quite difficult, as individual monetary wealth tends to take priority to the average pirate's mind. And as we all know, when it comes to cades, it's usually decided by the jobber number factor in the long run.
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The problem is largely the fact that people mostly job for flags due to poe and have a little understanding of who the flag actually is and what they actually stand for.
Maybe that's because what people do to the island doesn't affect the majority of the population in any way. I don't approve of trashing an island, but to be honest, the bulk of the jobbers don't care at all.


What furniture you have in a shoppe does not matter, what you build on an island does. The buildings you place are what the ocean is stuck using; if the ocean does not care enough to use them, you probably did a bad job.
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The problem is largely the fact that people mostly job for flags due to poe and have a little understanding of who the flag actually is and what they actually stand for.

Maybe that's because what people do to the island doesn't affect the majority of the population in any way. I don't approve of trashing an island, but to be honest, the bulk of the jobbers don't care at all.

What furniture you have in a shoppe does not matter, what you build on an island does. The buildings you place are what the ocean is stuck using; if the ocean does not care enough to use them, you probably did a bad job.


By trashing, i meant building 'bad' buildings.
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You know, Anarchy is the answer to all your problems....well actually no it isn't but could be a lot more fun than reading these posts. I honestly have to say, despite there being good points from either side, I think my bank statement is probably more interesting. Last time I checked, pirates weren't known for their intelligent diplomatic discourse either.

Take the hint :D Cade nao! Kkthxbai
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Bull Moose Party ftw.
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Bull Moose Party ftw.

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Well, I'm not going to get too involved in the capitalism debate, but how's Argentina doing these days?

Corruption seems to be high, but good other than that on the 1st glance. Germany is fairing better, sometimes I even get the feeling the east is living better than the west :D


i seem to be late :P havent been around much. i heard my country so i got curious :D
The word "seems" is incorrect there :D it IS high :P
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I only watched one episode of Lost, I think it was from the early seasons and there was a polar bear in it. A polar bear. In the middle of a freaking rainforest. I've traipsed through rainforests before, I didn't see a polar bear. I did see some elephants and a snake though. :D (Well, not :D because the snake was on a branch above my head.)

Anyway, the point I'm trying to make here is that it's disheartening to the Average Joe or Jane when the island they chose to live on is being run by people who won't listen to them. Sure enough, they're not spending the millions every weekend blockading it, however, they're the ones who are making the island function by living and having a business there. Telling them to just go to a Ringer controlled island just forces the player population to a few islands which is hardly beneficial to the rest of the ocean.

I've always stood by the view that I'm playing the game for myself and I shouldn't let anyone dictate my gameplay and I don't see why that shouldn't apply to other people especially when a simple, "Shut up or blockade" won't fix certain issues that have an affect on one's gaming experience.
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So every other person that lives on the island should have a greater say over the player that invest the time and money into attaining it?

Yes you are playing the game for yourself and so are many others, that is why you may find it difficult to get them to listen, imagine somebody else was trying to dictate how you was running your island?
If you refuse t have somebody else to dictate your gameplay (I.e your taxes and how your home island looks) then an OM island is your only real choice, a player island with change & that could be via player control or BK control.

I think that if a greenie spawned on Malachite that Salstraum Rock would be the best place for them to see first as it contained the most social (lol) activity that you could easily find on the ocean, aside from on a pillage that is.

And to wrap it up, if you think islands are being run poorly just you guys wait for the merge.. baha.
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Island owners have a responsibility, and Ringer owned islands do not excuse them from this.
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So every other person that lives on the island should have a greater say over the player that invest the time and money into attaining it?
Did I say they should have a greater say? No, I did not. I said they should have some say, or at least be heard, by the people who govern the island. As Emmett said, island owners have a responsibility. Like I said earlier, you'll be committing political suicide if you don't.
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Island owners have a responsibility, and Ringer owned islands do not excuse them from this.


The responsibility is there, you are under no obligation to take it.
The Ringer islands are not there for the other players that govern, rather those of the population that do not wish to submit their buisinesses to the whim of others (or the Brigand Kings).

 
Did I say they should have a greater say? No, I did not. I said they should have some say, or at least be heard, by the people who govern the island. As Emmett said, island owners have a responsibility. Like I said earlier, you'll be committing political suicide if you don't


I covered responsibility above.
Oh I'm sure people are more often than not heard but often when people are heard they like somebody to listen, not always the case in pirates (or sadly reality).

I don't particularly agree on pirate "politics" but I guess you can call it that if other people are funding your island activities.
It is not something that is a requirement to owning islands.

I'd like to see a tyrant blockade islands with the intent of running them into the ground, mabye then people will stop and look at the crew before the PoE value on the notice board, mabye then your average jobber might care about "politics" and see the potential that the puzzle pirate system could hold..

I don't mean to offend but such views lead me to think that some of us live in bubbles, there is good and bad ways of doing things but neither is right or wrong, it simply is their own way of handling their property.
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Bad and wrong are rather synonymous, just as good and right are.
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Bad and wrong are rather synonymous, just as good and right are.


They are indeed. :]

I'd be brave enough to say that good and bad are also, it is subject to an individuals interpretation and rarely are those views always the same.
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subject to an individuals interpretation


Good is right and bad is wrong. There is no getting around that.

You could say that a pineapple is a reptile, but that also would be incorrect.
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subject to an individuals interpretation


Good is right and bad is wrong. There is no getting around that.

You could say that a pineapple is a reptile, but that also would be incorrect.



What he means is, what is bad in your eyes, might not be bad in someone elses. Same with the good part.
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Will SMD be doing what they think is good then? Or will we continue to ignore these problems until Viridian takes care of them for us, for better or worse?
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Will SMD be doing what they think is good then? Or will we continue to ignore these problems until Viridian takes care of them for us, for better or worse?


You want results done now. I get that. But you don't know what goes on in their personal lives and I know they're going through a tough time right now. Their real lives come before this game.
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Tangosueno hit the nail on the head there.

When Viridian hits I predict most islands will be under fire.

I only see one problem but it is not huge to be frank, two Ironmongers, considering this shoppe can already produce items that stalls can (as far as I am aware), unlike a shipyard that allows you to produce larger ships than a stall and thus has a greater benefit than building a bazaar. It makes the IM pretty much redundant and a waste of space, the value of every shoppe will also crash thanks to the small citys that Viridians Large islands have become, so something else would be useful.

Really I can still look at that island however and appreciate that what has been done is in reality a good job, government buildings are always in an abundance and to be frank its a luxury for players that comes out of the flags own pocket, since I have come to Malachite Nightshade is and always will be my home island and in comparison to the other flags that have come and gone the flag SMD and its pirates have all done a very good job.

To be honest I'd rather see us working together rather than critisize eachother, when Viridian comes I'd like to see what I believe to be a small and strong community still thrive instead of being at eachothers throats for pointless disagreements.

As you can see I'm slightly upset with the merge, if I wanted to play on an ocean full of players then I would not have moved to Malachite in the first place, it was nice having certain things as a rarity in comparison to other oceans, slowly working our way towards one day perhaps gaining our own large island and so on.
I can easily think of better ways of solving the poor jobber solution and a merge would not have been on the top of my list.

Just adding some of my solutions because I can, Bots that you can job who have a set pay per league/time, merge parlour games so that all pirates can compete against others reguardless of the ocean you reside on (this would have also been a great alternate to balancing dubloon prices as pirates would have came to malachite earlier last year due to the dubloon/PoE rate).

I have others, sorry to veer a little off direction there lol, yes it is quite upsetting(for me at least), I'll be moving back onto the blue oceans as the community over there will likely retain some of what I enjoyed(but they still wont be the people I have come to like over here!), I'll still be back here often however, of course :-].
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