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OK, I know there was a partial answer to this at one time, but I really don't have the patience to sift through 84 pages of green ocean/blue ocean debates to try to find an update:

It seems highly likely that my seldom used pirates on Hunter are going to keep their names, and my frequently used pirates on Sage are going to get the suffix. I don't want to delete the Hunter pirates - but I don't want to have to scrape up 90 rogue marks to change all their names simply because of an arbitrary decision made by Three Rings. At one time I read that you could petition the (presumably overworked by then) Ocean masters to swap it around the other way, then you could make you renames. Is that the case, or am I just going to be grumpier than usual?
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As long as you own both pirates, you can do what you please with them. I'd wait until you see your ocean (as a testing ocean) to petition, since you might be wrong about how they'll be named.

If you don't own both, you'll still get a free rename (if you're stuck with a suffix).


(In other news, I finally understand the point of the trophy cases. They always seemed a bit pointless to me, but post-merge you can use them for your alt(s) if you were active on both oceans. Shiny.)
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I have created a map of Meridian, but I neither play on Viridian/Malachite, nor have I ever tried to create a yppedia map before. I suspect there are errors in the chart, so please either fix them, or describe what I did wrong, and I'll try to fix them. I have scripts that will move around the oceans and the locations of the inter-ocean routes, so if things need to be shifted around, I should be able to do that quickly.
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Now that I see how ridiculously long the Oasis-Flyaway route is, it actually would've been a pretty cool idea to insert an outpost halfway through and open it up for colonization. Maybe not have it spawn wood/iron/sugar cane (used in rum and shot production) or it would be too easy for the holder.
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Now that I see how ridiculously long the Oasis-Flyaway route is, it actually would've been a pretty cool idea to insert an outpost halfway through and open it up for colonization. Maybe not have it spawn wood/iron/sugar cane (used in rum and shot production) or it would be too easy for the holder.

Well, you could always allow those commods to spawn. They'd only make profit when people don't plan their commods properly before sailing or folks that like pillaging in the middle of the inter-ocean route.
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Awesome work on the Meridian Map.
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Awesome work on the Meridian Map.

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How are the colors determined for the map? The ichor-olin route is pretty wacky, so I don't even have any similar routes to use for reference. The middle is darker than any mala route, and the olin lp is lighter than any on mala, the combination of which boggles my mind a bit.

Burgundy for the middle of the route? Maybe even black. I'm not sure. O_o

Is there a way to pull the information from the client?


EDIT: Actually, looking at the old map more closely, I'm thinking someone was just winging it anyway. The map colors don't seem to match my in-game map all that closely. Which means we probably just have to guess. :(
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Awesome work on the Meridian Map.

Thanks, but honestly, it looks like Belthazar451 has done the vast majority of the yppedia work for the mergers. I based the Meridian map off of how Belthazar made the Cerulean map. Belthazar is also the one who has created all the island pages for the merged ocean. Thanks Belthazar!

The only reason I posted the link is because I don't trust my work to be 100% correct and I'm hoping for people to double check it.

 
How are the colors determined for the map?

It is based on how dark the league points on the in-game charts are. Someone, I forget who, got permission from OOO to muck with some game files to let them determine the exact values.

 
The middle is darker than any mala route, and the olin lp is lighter than any on mala, the combination of which boggles my mind a bit.

Yeah, these inter-ocean routes look much harder than most routes. It is normal for the colors to vary over route, and (in general), Cobalt/Viridean appear to have much easier routes than Malachite. The route doesn't look that wonky to me.
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How are the colors determined for the map? The ichor-olin route is pretty wacky, so I don't even have any similar routes to use for reference. The middle is darker than any mala route, and the olin lp is lighter than any on mala, the combination of which boggles my mind a bit.

Burgundy for the middle of the route? Maybe even black. I'm not sure. O_o

Is there a way to pull the information from the client?


EDIT: Actually, looking at the old map more closely, I'm thinking someone was just winging it anyway. The map colors don't seem to match my in-game map all that closely. Which means we probably just have to guess. :(


Mind the snark in the thread, but here's an explanation: http://forums.puzzlepirates.com/community/mvnforum/viewthread?thread=152742
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Thanks, Fannon! :)

(Though unfortunately the answer does amount to "it's a pain in the butt to figure out", which is what I was worried about. I suppose whoever did the others will be stuck doing these, too.)

 
The route doesn't look that wonky to me.

Name one other route that has both extremes. :P
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Algol wrote: 
I based the Meridian map off of how Belthazar made the Cerulean map. Belthazar is also the one who has created all the island pages for the merged ocean. Thanks Belthazar!

Belthazar did an amazing job putting the Cerulean map together. But the island pages are actually my work.

They're still in-progress, though. Cerulean is finished. I have 12 remaining on Meridian. And I'm waiting for the Emerald Ocean to be up for testing before starting those.
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The route doesn't look that wonky to me.

Name one other route that has both extremes. :P

winking wall-diablo, lynx-luthien and Jubilee-oasis are pretty close in the absolute difference. There aren't that many places on any ocean that are as blue as olin's is though. I doubt that the inter-ocean links make it anywhere near as high as those around lynx.
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There is going to be value in doing some spot checks across the oceans after launch... make sure that no other routes were changed.

Incidentally, would be interesting to see some Ruby type routes in the other oceans...

edit: Has anybody checked whether the extinct routes are being merged in, or if they are being stealthed out?
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edit: Has anybody checked whether the extinct routes are being merged in, or if they are being stealthed out?
Even though I'm a Cobalt pirate who cannot mem the extinct routes, I'd be sad if they did stealth them out. I don't see any real reason to get rid of them.
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I *think* I still had the extinct ones on my map, though I was mostly distracted that all of Emerald arch was missing for me, and I wasn't looking specifically for the extinct ones.
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Belthazar did an amazing job putting the Cerulean map together. But the island pages are actually my work.

Gah, that's what I get for trusting my memory. Sorry for the confusion and thanks for your work.

Speaking of which...

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Has anybody checked whether the extinct routes are being merged in, or if they are being stealthed out?


Yes, earlier in this thread,
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FYI, my extinct league points (Alpha to Winter) show up just fine.


Personally, I wouldn't object to seeing them go... Either that, or make them available to everyone again.
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Even though I'm a Cobalt pirate who cannot mem the extinct routes, I'd be sad if they did stealth them out. I don't see any real reason to get rid of them.


I totally agree! I don't have them mem'd therefore I never will but I think it's really something special for those that do have them mem'd.

Those pirates have been playing for quite a long time and deserve to keep their extinct routes.
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I checked in on Cerulean on 2nd or 3rd day when the "islands / routes" disappearing issue was happening (I lost Jet).

I do have all the old extinct points memmed and they were showing up on the new merged map.

I didn't try to set course using any of them so I can't vouch they work.

As for should they go or be kept ... it's a little bit of old Azure / Midnight history being carried over... so there's some continuity to keeping them.

They don't break the game being active - and there are many other things that can and should be fixed before these are wiped from existence.

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wrs1864b wrote: 
Thanks, but honestly, it looks like Belthazar451 has done the vast majority of the yppedia work for the mergers.

While I'm happy to claim all the credit, I've mostly just been standing at the back cracking the whip. All I've done is the Cerulean map and then the long hard slog of transferring the Midnight maps over.

... And now you've gone and stolen the two fun maps remaining. Hiss. The maps are mine. =P
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This brings up a question I haven't seen anywhere-- are any of the archipelago colors being changed? I forsee some issues with, say, purchasing maps in the inn if you don't know which of the red/blue/whatever archipelagos is that particular shade-- especially if you're buying from someone who's inexperienced enough to not have a clue how the world map works.
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I've raised the question, though not somewhere you can see. =)

Haven't received a response yet, though...

Edit: Specifically, Meridian has one pair of arches with the same colour star, Cerulean has two, and Emerald has six. Granted, Emerald is the ocean which now has the greatest number of arches, but that's all of them save three that share a colour. And two of the remaining ones are kinda similar. Poor Emerald.
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To be fair, how many colours are there, anyway?
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Emerald is open :)
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EDIT: i was just wondering, did they say that we could add our alts as roomies to trade possessions with ourselves?? I tried to add my alt as a roomie but it didnt really work.
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Seems Emerald has reverted back to the beginning of the ocean again. Have any noticeable changes been made?
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Other than the announcement that Emerald was moved to a faster server, no, it's reverted to the original startup configuration. So everyone who had the interocean charts already would need to get them again :-)
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Considering how long Cerulean and Meridian were up, can we expect to see Emerald go down in the next two to three days? And if that is the case, does that mean we can expect the launch of the merged oceans soon? I don't think I can expect an official answer but I'd like to see others' take on it.
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I'd like to see some more testing of oceans done before the actual merger happens. Perhaps starting by putting Cerulean back up to see if everything is rolling the way it should be. I'd also expect that an announcement of an official date of the merger would be likely, as without one blockading flags would probably complain. Lots.
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Considering how long Cerulean and Meridian were up, can we expect to see Emerald go down in the next two to three days? And if that is the case, does that mean we can expect the launch of the merged oceans soon? I don't think I can expect an official answer but I'd like to see others' take on it.

Looking at the known bug list and how long it's taking them to squish every one, my expectation is for one more bugfix release, taking down Emerald and bringing back Cerulean. But that's just a vaguely informed guess, I wouldn't actually put money on it.
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