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Dragon's Nest Event Cade

Looking on the Notice Board, It seems there is an event cade scheduled in a week and a half at Dragon's Nest. I don't recall this happening before.. Is it a sign of the island being opened or has this happened before?
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Re: Dragon's Nest Event Cade

they do them sometimes....
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Re: Dragon's Nest Event Cade

 
they do them sometimes....



Boo. I got excited
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Re: Dragon's Nest Event Cade

It hasn't ever been open, I don't see what would change the OM's minds after so many years.
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Re: Dragon's Nest Event Cade

 
It hasn't ever been open


Tell that to the Sun Dynasty on Cobalt.
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Re: Dragon's Nest Event Cade

 
 
It hasn't ever been open


Tell that to the Sun Dynasty on Cobalt.


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Re: Dragon's Nest Event Cade

http://forums.puzzlepirates.com/community/mvnforum/viewthread?thread=176028

Now we know why.
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Re: Dragon's Nest Event Cade

Possibly the worst idea for Viridian is to open an island this year;I hope theres a flag with the balls to break out of the box and go for the no island package; can't say you care about Viridians blockading scene and pick an island to open.
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Re: Dragon's Nest Event Cade

RAF should block the opener.
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Re: Dragon's Nest Event Cade

The last thing viridian needs is another new island opening. Sure the scene is livening up as of late but I don't think we need another island right now.
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Re: Dragon's Nest Event Cade

I'd prefer no opening as well. It won't just be about an island opening, though, since there's PoE to be won. People will probably want to take there own ships in to TH. If everyone can be encouraged to ally to a particular flag with a clear agenda, it could work better than a traditional approach. To get the support of less politically minded pirates, maybe advertise that RAF - or whoever - would also organize another similar TH event if they win.
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Re: Dragon's Nest Event Cade

I posted this in Sage Parley:

Sage's previous opening round saw the ocean divide into two sharp camps - one working to ensure a large's opening and the other for an outpost. See - SNL . I predict that a similar debate will occur with this opening. While this opening is much smaller in scale/scope, it does require an initial pre-colonization blockade with similar potential outcomes. I would like to open this discussion here.

[TLDR below. Cliffnotes - Don't be silly, a large is completely unnecessary]

I firmly believe that Sage does not need a large. Proponents for a large will most likely argue the following points, as they always have done when the opportunity presents itself:

A new island will...
- Stir the ocean and promote blockading
- Result in massive poe distribution
- Free lesser islands from powerful flags' blockading desires (i.e. new island will present a new, higher objective)
- Present new economic opportunities (e.g shoppe distribution)

However, I disagree.

1) I agree, a new island could very much result in a protracted conflict, providing multiple weeks of blockades at the same island. However, other island openings (even larges) have been effectively resolved in one week (See - Bowditch history). There is no guarantee multiple parties are willing or capable to fight an extended conflict over the new island. Furthermore, if an extended conflict does occur, then small flags are effectively shut out from the blockading game for that weekend, as any colonization blockade will surely overshadow outpost blockades. Thus, a new opener may result in a net loss of blockades.

Colonization efforts are only possible through the concentration and expending of massive amounts of political capital. How does one acquire political capital? Through lobbying. One form of lobbying is staff/jobbing exchange guarantees. Thus, the new island owner has created a web of mutually owed support - a temporary SMA, if you will. This may (potentially) increase blockading, as owed flags look to capitalize on their new support base. However, this blockading is done in alliance vs alliance manner. The new island owner, especially, has a real incentive to create a stronger, entrenched support base in order to recoup funds spent on the new opening. This is not healthy for the ocean.

2) Blockading results in PoE redistribution. This blockade could potentially redistribute up to 100mil. However, the effects of this distribution are overstated. Very little of this PoE will be given from the jobber to a blockading flag. The blockading flags most likely to benefit from donations from massive pay are those most connected to the new island contesting parties, thus exacerbating the concentration issue I noted above. Finally, flags that drop 50-75mil on blockades are guaranteed to fund part (if not the majority) of their actions through poker. That "distributed" money will return in partial form.

Of course, there is the possibility that the island winner does not spend much PoE. In that case, the new island could serve to further concentrate PoE. A cheap (25 mil) seizing of the new island could easily result in massive profits within a month or two, depending on the winner's building plan. This only serves to further solidify the winner's position on the island.

3) Powerful flags will only temporarily have their end-game goals altered. There will be no lasting "freeing" of impossible targets by the opener. The colonizer will support his allies in their attempts to cash in on promised support. The losing flag(s) will go back to business as usual. Again, see Bowditch opening and related history.

4) Some shoppes may be distributed to the public (politically unconnected actors). The majority of shoppes in the short term, though, will remain with the colonizer and his supporting flags, only serving to further solidify thangs.

5) There is the real possibility that an opener contestant is only looking for superficial (inn, naming, etc) benefits from the attack. This would be quite detrimental to the community, as it creates lasting effects predicated on selfish motives.

In the end, we should not be supporting an action that results in entrenchment. Blockading is not everyone's cup of tea. For those of us that enjoy it, we should work towards creating an inclusive and competitive environment. This action is a step towards an exclusive and noncompetitive scene. To that end, I'll toss whatever support (material or nonmaterial) I can muster (personally, this is not a TP thing) towards a flag looking to block the opening.
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Re: Dragon's Nest Event Cade

There seems to be some unity, at least among those who post about it, to work against an opening on Viridian. Unfortunately (well, depending on how you see it), alliances will be ignored for the event blockade so allying to work together won't work.

Anyway. I haven't talked to the others, but I'm pretty sure I could get Legacy to contest for no opening. (Or support another flag that does, if someone really wants to.)
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Re: Dragon's Nest Event Cade

I will support any flag that goes for the no opening, those who agree no island should be open should work together. I offer PoE and offer to JC or XO as well as my help finding navers, move stock ships or whatever is needed; if you are serious about oposing the island opening poke me.
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Re: Dragon's Nest Event Cade

I need to hit up some people, but I will discuss going for the no-opening with the RAF with the people it concerns and get back to you. I too am in the firm belief that another island is not needed on Viridian.
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Re: Dragon's Nest Event Cade

hi

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i personally think there are enough islands so i support the no opening option, not sure my flag can enter the event but we ll try our best :)
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I will fully support anyone fighting for no island opening.
Another large opening up is just gonna further tear up the economy and political situation.
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No frikin new island Please!

Anyone supporting any type of Island opening with the current state of the game would only be doing so for selfish reasons.

Let's see if all the recent concerns about "The best for the ocean" plays out now that there's the possibility for someone to grab an egotistical opportunity.
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would only be doing so for selfish reasons.

hi - would anyone please smack Fugu over Legolas.
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would only be doing so for selfish reasons.

hi - would anyone please smack Fugu over Legolas.

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Another island in Southwest Garnet would be nice to open up, but it would just be a island sit after a while.
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Another island in Southwest Garnet would be nice to open up, but it would just be a island sit after a while.


It would be if the cade scene for larges was active, however it isnt so it'll just turn into another Hadrian, VG win it and try maintain the greenness of the island and the next flag comes in and paves it, resulting in another useless island.
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Re: Dragon's Nest Event Cade

 
 
Another island in Southwest Garnet would be nice to open up, but it would just be a island sit after a while.


It would be if the cade scene for larges was active, however it isnt so it'll just turn into another Hadrian, VG win it and try maintain the greenness of the island and the next flag comes in and paves it, resulting in another useless island.


Well technically they did name it after shit so maybe the people got the idea the island was supposed to be shit.
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Re: Dragon's Nest Event Cade

I'm strongly for no island as well, but only because of the choices given. Definitely no large should be opened, and especially not Mermaid's Purse, but if the winning flag could have picked a different medium I'd have gone for it.
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Re: Dragon's Nest Event Cade

http://forums.puzzlepirates.com/community/mvnforum/viewthread?thread=167716
MP probably is going to be paved, but who except the ocean police would really be concerned. Fight the current powerhouse once or twice to prevent them getting an inn, but behaving as if they would break the blockade game is rather stupid.
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would only be doing so for selfish reasons.

hi - would anyone please smack Fugu over Legolas.

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We don't really need another island (larges don't change hands all that much), but if the no-island option doesn't get the vote, MP would be a good one to open, as SW Garnet is the last remaining area that's a pain to get to.
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Re: Dragon's Nest Event Cade

There should be no new island opening unless the ocean's population is increasing. Since all oceans are in fact shrinking, I strongly support any faction that will prevent any new islands from opening.

If you want a dead ocean without conflict, competition, or blockades but lots of island sitting, stagnation, etc. ... look no further than Cobalt, it is as dead as a toe-nail.

Lets keep Viridian alive ... no new island opening. Keep Mermaid's Purse prestine and na3it.
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Re: Dragon's Nest Event Cade

 
We don't really need another island (larges don't change hands all that much), but if the no-island option doesn't get the vote, MP would be a good one to open, as SW Garnet is the last remaining area that's a pain to get to.

I'm still strongly against MP being opened. The only reason it was suggested in the original thread was all the 12 year olds on the forums wanted an island where they could name every building after genitalia.

At the time I was saying that if another island was going to be opened, it should be Olin's. If we do open one, west Garnet is the best place, but it shouldn't be MP or Havoc.
- The ocean doesn't need another large, a medium is better.
- Olin's has enough room to provide stock production in west Garnet without becoming an opportunity for someone to pave.
- It opens two of the three closed routes in west Garnet.
- Most importantly, it's the only source of indigo on the ocean. Having a market there would finally allow players to place bids on that herb.
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