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BK Blockades seem to just keep getting weaker and weaker. Regardless of which island it seems like they are all 1-3 strength. Can we get this increased and scaled to island size like they used to be?
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I haven't gotten around to starting a thread like this of my own, but I strongly agree.
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Prehaps you could conduct some experiments on this.
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Prehaps you could conduct some experiments on this.


His observations were as much of an experiment as can be carried out I think

Btw, I'm not sure if you mean to or not but "Perfectionist" in your sig is spelled wrong.
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There's something booched with the formula ... Celesta on Malachite (not even a main island) is being given a strength 5, which is too much really for us, and the big oceans are getting pathetic ones. Please look into it.
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I have complained about this several times. For awhile on Cobalt, mediums were getting 11 force BKs, and a small outpost got a 10. Unbelievable. And at the same time large islands on the bigger more populated oceans were getting force 3, and mediums got force 1. Almost enough to wonder if they got it backwards, or if there are trying to have the BKs take over all the islands on the less populated oceans (if you like conspiracy theories.)

Be careful of what you wish for, a force 17 showed up on Cobalt a few months back...

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Midnight has two BK blockades coming up, both on the board right now and both at strength 3. One is Orca, an outpost where the governor pretty much ignores the IM shop and leaves it empty - and it's off in Opal, the least visited back corner arch on the ocean. So the island is almost as dead as possible. The other island is Xi, probably the busiest of the large islands in the Jet archipelago (certainly not the busiest arch, but far from dead). It doesn't make any sense at all for both these islands to fight strength 3; something like 1 for Orca and 5 for Xi would make a whole lot more sense.

I'm wondering if there's a minimum strength a BK can drop at, and the ocean activity level is so low that the minimum is propping up the attack strength. Then again, I've seen strength one BK blockades on Midnight before so unless the minimum is set per ocean and was recently raised for Midnight (which would make zero sense to do the way the population is in a steady decline), that strength one attack stands as a counterexample to that possibility.

But looking at the numbers that have been reported for the various oceans, there's got to be some kind of bug somewhere in the strength determining code. Especially the fact that Cobalt seems to consistently get BK strengths that are twice what Viridian sees -- that's just pathologically wrong.
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Prehaps you could conduct some experiments on this.


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I thought BK strength also has something to do with how much the flotilla was whacked before it turned into a blockade? Or was I mistaken?
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What we all read as that, really meant you could just make it vanish entirely before it dropped.
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Brigand King blockade power is supposed to be calculated by the amount of economic activity on the target island. The elements of that formula have not been divulged.

Ocean Masters, or perhaps developers only, are able to adjust blockade power settings before and during a blockade. It has been standard practice to increase it for those flags who wanted more of a challenge and requested it. Likewise, it may be possible to lower it with a reasonable request.
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Brigand King blockade power is supposed to be calculated by the amount of economic activity on the target island. The elements of that formula have not been divulged.

Ocean Masters, or perhaps developers only, are able to adjust blockade power settings before and during a blockade. It has been standard practice to increase it for those flags who wanted more of a challenge and requested it. Likewise, it may be possible to lower it with a reasonable request.

I don't think the problem primarily is that flags don't feel challenged enough, but rather the possible use of weak BK blockades for weeks on end to shield against PvP blockades. Unless there is substantial thirtpartying, such shielding is now very very cheap. The flags, that use scuttle shields like that, will definitely not ask for an increase in BK strength.
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As they seem to be weak on viridian, around the same time proof scuttle his two outpost and got one strength, on cobalt we accidently scuttle an outpost and got a 9 strength so I don't think all is well with the strength decision making.
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1 Strength BK for a Large Island Opening, makes sense.
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the economy of an island appears to have more effect on the strength of the BK attack.


The 1 strength Brigand King blockade would support this as there is no economic activity on an island that is just being opened.
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That doesn't explain why Cobalt's is 5.
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The 1 strength Brigand King blockade would support this as there is no economic activity on an island that is just being opened.


Yes, but Jubilee on Cobalt has a strength 5, so I dunno how much that really has to do with anything...
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That doesn't explain why Cobalt's is 5.


The formula could work based on percentage of the ocean's commodities that are moved through that island each week. If that is the case then that would explain why oceans with less players can see such large Brigand King strength while oceans like viridian see such small strength.

Edit: To clarify what I mean, there are many players on Viridian each week and several well established islands. Because there are many places for commodities to be used up all of the islands would consume a lesser percentage of the islands commodities and result in a weaker Brigand King drop.

Cobalt on the other hand has less players (last time I was on there were only 60 players online) If a particularly wealthy player had moved a large amount of stock and sold it on jubilee, then that would be a much larger percentage of the economy than on viridian where there are more players and more popular islands. If the same action were taken on viridian and then cobalt, it would have almost no effect of the Brigand King strength on viridian but a huge effect on Cobalt.
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That doesn't explain why Cobalt's is 5.


The formula could work based on percentage of the ocean's commodities that are moved through that island each week. If that is the case then that would explain why oceans with less players can see such large Brigand King strength while oceans like viridian see such small strength.

Edit: To clarify what I mean, there are many players on Viridian each week and several well established islands. Because there are many places for commodities to be used up all of the islands would consume a lesser percentage of the islands commodities and result in a weaker Brigand King drop.

Cobalt on the other hand has less players (last time I was on there were only 60 players online) If a particularly wealthy player had moved a large amount of stock and sold it on jubilee, then that would be a much larger percentage of the economy than on viridian where there are more players and more popular islands. If the same action were taken on viridian and then cobalt, it would have almost no effect of the Brigand King strength on viridian but a huge effect on Cobalt.



Jubilee is the island that is being opened in the cade this weekend, which is why he mentioned their opening cade was a 5 stength.
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If this isn't fixed it can be used to players advantage.

1) Make lots of economic activity on target island.
2) Make lots of threatening tells towards fun spoiling scuttle prone govenor.
3) Watch them scuttle.
4) LOLOLOL 16 strength BK LOLOLOL.
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Yeah island opening can't be related to the economic activity of the island due to the fact it won't have any!

I'm sure the last island opening on viridian (Hadrian) had at least 10 strength?
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This is still a big issue. Either the strength of BKs needs to be fixed, or 3rd party flags need to be allowed to drop on Bk blockades, or both.
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i think a BK should take a series of more important non-ringer or even some ringer islands and then defend it badly get islands shifting hands a bit more
Or as someone said let flags help out the BK's and then have a flotilla or something to win it
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