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Denovoo



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Big Stakes Poker (Rules apply - Read within)

Many poker players know my bald head, I am denovo. As a frequent player of the 20k-200k poker table, I among many dis-appreciate foal play when it comes to poker, because certain rules/aspects of the game are not followed by the program YPP has provided us.

No one likes it when a player wins money from you and then takes it off the table just to continue playing. No one likes it when someone bets 20k, you call, someone goes all in for 21k, and the person who bet is allowed to re-raise. There are rules in poker that stop this disrespect, so I offer a solution.

A private game, high stakes. Playing with the 20-200k format, I will attempt to form a game with a bring in of 10k(A Bring in is the minimum amount to make it preflop. which means no one calls 2k) and a Max buy-in of 400k (Min buy-in 100k). How you ask? Trust. 10 player table but only 9 players, the 10th will occasional sit down and dump money to a player who wants to buy in for more than 200k(After being paid of course). All players will fold allowing that player to win the pot.

Like I said, no trust, no game.

If there is enough interest in this, rules like no banking, proper raising, and even a seating list will be in effect. Anyone not abiding by said rules will be removed and not invited back.

So, poker players unite, give me your feedback either here or in-game. If there is enough interest I will try to host on a daily basis and possibly have other trustworthy people help.
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Re: Big Stakes Poker (Rules apply - Read within)

 


No one likes it when someone bets 20k, you call, someone goes all in for 21k, and the person who bet is allowed to re-raise.


What? That's a classic isolation play.

Your issue with 'proper raising' sounds like 'they don't play like me so they're wrong'. Most of the players in YPP are novices to poker and play in easy distinguishable patterns which anybody with an inkling of poker knowledge can use to win money.
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Denovoo



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Re: Big Stakes Poker (Rules apply - Read within)

Classic YPP Isolation play you mean.

Texas holdem has a rule that states, "The betting shall not be reopened to the original better unless raised by double or more of the last raise/bet.

You see that in YPP poker because if someone makes it 24k if you want to "raise" you have to make it 48k or more. Unfortunately the program designed by Three Rings overlooked the fact that an all-in might be a raise, but not always a FULL raise.
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superstarsam

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Re: Big Stakes Poker (Rules apply - Read within)

 
Classic YPP Isolation play you mean.

Texas holdem has a rule that states, "The betting shall not be reopened to the original better unless raised by double or more of the last raise/bet.

You see that in YPP poker because if someone makes it 24k if you want to "raise" you have to make it 48k or more.


I'm fairly sure that in a real life situation a sequence such as:
A: Bet 20k
B: Call 20k
C: All-in 21k
(others fold)

would return the action to player A who would than have the opportunity to raise. So in this sense YPP is right on with RL.
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Re: Big Stakes Poker (Rules apply - Read within)

The cards you receive in poker are of course down to luck. Knowing what to do with them is skill. I've sat through hundreds of sets of cards before I get a single hand that is actually winnable.
Denovoo wrote: 
All players will fold allowing that player to win the pot.

What if my only good hand falls on this move? And the fact they want to rebuy implies they have less than the 200K buy in on the table, so this format will have to played over numerous deals. Then you have the problem with calling all in, and the ''PoE handler'' winning on a lucky river.
 
Anyone not abiding by said rules will be removed and not invited back.

And then of course, you have ''bankers'' who simply have to leave, because of emergencies. Will they not be invited back? You 'say special circumstances', I say 'lies'. I don't have a child, but should I say 'Gotta go. Kids being sick', you're not going to question me.I'd get to bank, and come back.

Also, if you make someone leave without finishing, you are effectively stealing their PoE. One will raise a high amount pre-flop if they have good cards. Is it their fault if they get good cards 6 times in a row? - which is now breaking your rules. Kicking them out is going to make them lose PoE, which isn't deservedly lost.
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Re: Big Stakes Poker (Rules apply - Read within)

Banking would be allowed in real life, it would just be considered rude. Banking is to their disadvantage anyway, so why get angry when they bank? Also, the raise only has to be equivelent to double the bet or more if it's not an all in. An all in is still considered a raise, and action would procede as such. In a cash game setting as opposed to tournament play, isolating is good with a good hand preflop against an all inner, whereas in a tournament you wouldn't want to isolate with a person all in because you'd have a better chance of knocking them out with more people in the hand. There are no "rules in poker to stop this disrespect", there are no rules against banking or reraising after an all in. These "rules" are made up by you. I don't trust anyone enough in this game to give money to them and expect it back. So what I would suggest would be people with money that are skilled at poker and know that it is to their disadvantage to bank group together and set up private games with everyone buying in for the maximum of 200k, without having to trust random people over the internet...
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Denovoo



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Re: Big Stakes Poker (Rules apply - Read within)

 
Classic YPP Isolation play you mean.

I'm fairly sure that in a real life situation a sequence such as:
A: Bet 20k
B: Call 20k
C: All-in 21k
(others fold)

would return the action to player A who would than have the opportunity to raise. So in this sense YPP is right on with RL.


Fairly Certain?!?
I'm 100% positive it's not. As a poker dealer employed under Harrah's Casino for 4 years I can tell you it's not.

Player C did not make a COMPLETE raise, thus betting is NOT re-opened to Player A.

Here let me post links..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betting_in_poker
http://www.learn-texas-holdem.com/half-or-full-bet-rule-which-is-correct.htm
http://www.ub.com/poker-rules
I can keep posting links all day. Look for the Full-bet Rule

Incomplete bet or raise

If a player goes all in with a bet or raise rather than a call, another special rule comes into play. There are two options in common use: pot-limit and no-limit games usually use what is called the full bet rule, while fixed-limit and spread-limit games may use either the full bet rule or the half bet rule. The full bet rule states that if the amount of an all-in bet is less than the minimum bet, or if the amount of an all-in raise is less than the full amount of the previous raise, it does not constitute a "real" raise, and therefore does not reopen the betting action. The half bet rule states that if an all-in bet or raise is equal to or larger than half the minimum amount, it does constitute a raise and reopens the action.

Oh snap, I referenced something.

Argument Complete, Next Case.

Banking.

As a poker dealer, a player sitting down with 200 wins 100 and tries to put that 100 in his pocket, he is not allowed to do that since this is in violation of the TABLE STAKES rule.

Second Example

A player sits with 100 and wins 100, leaves the table with 200 and is gone for 10 minutes.. He tries to sit back down with 100. He is required to sit with what he last had or more(As long as it's no over the max buy in) otherwise if he wishs to play with 100 again he has to wait a full hour.

Time For Links
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_stakes
http://www.gamblegum.com/poker/poker_table_stakes_rules.cfm
http://www.cardplayer.com/cardplayer-magazines/75-16-21/articles/13566-the-table-stakes-rule (Good article, love how they call it Rat-holing)

Table Stakes Rule

This rule generally applies to cash or ring games of poker rather than tournament games and is intended to level the stakes by creating a maximum and minimum buy-in as well as rules for adding and removing chips from play when playing with cash. A player also may not take a portion of his money off the table, unless he (or she) leaves the game and takes his entire stack out of play. Common among inexperienced players is the act of "going south" after winning a big pot, which is to take a portion of your stack out of play often as an attempt to hedge one's risk after a win.

GAME
SET
MATCH

Yours Truly,
Denovo

Oh, one more thing in concerns to fairness, if you have a better way to get money on the table then by all means tell me, if you want a bigger game then sacrifices must be made, I will gladly fold aces one hand if a player wants to buy-in for 400k(There would be a warning prior to the next hand, it's all random anyway and each person has a chance to get a their only big hand then, why are you special?). Also if you have to leave you can come back with the stake you left with, I have no problem with this, things happen and can be fixed as long as you remain logical and calm.
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Denovoo



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Re: Big Stakes Poker (Rules apply - Read within)

Making this a separate reply to try and get this thread back on topic.

My goal is to make a better game, a more respectable game.

-Game will be held in a private location
-Min Buy in 100k
-Max Buy in 500k(Only if you choose - If I don't pay up with my promise to get you the chips on the table I stand to be banned. - If you are not willing to sit out a hand so a player can receive the chips, then this is not the game for you)
-5k Bring in(If you wish to play a hand 5k is the minimum bet Preflop to River)
-No banking(Banking is the art of taking money off the table and immediately buying back in for a lower amount, Accidents happen and DCs occur, things can be fixed)
-No Raising of incomplete raises, a.k.a short all ins(Links above)
-Sign ups for seats(Will send tells when your seat is ready)
-Possibly prizes for Hi hands/Bad beats/and sportsmanship above and beyond)
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