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Jorshuad



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No hearts and spades on crimson?

I understand most of the changes made to crimson, but I fail to see why hearts and spades were removed. I have personally been playing similar card games with my family since about age 9, and I fail to see why the removal of these is required for crimson.
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Re: No hearts and spades on crimson?

Well, obviously it'll encourage compulsive gambling, bad passers and collusion which is bad. Mmkay.
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Re: No hearts and spades on crimson?

 
Well, obviously it'll encourage compulsive gambling, bad passers and collusion which is bad. Mmkay.


But you can't gamble? =o

I've been playing hearts since I was 5 >.<
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Re: No hearts and spades on crimson?

Agreed. It should be in game. I dont know about Spades but Hearts is my favorite. Since I was like 6-7, I play that game and its fun. I hope the developers put that in game but I suggest NO WAGER. just for fun.
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Re: No hearts and spades on crimson?

Aye, I agree BUT...

Spades is a game of partnerships, which can be hard to understand.

Hearts is a game where yer best strategy may well be to be nasty to the person that is already losing.

Poker is obviously not ok.

The best card game for Crimson: Cribbage. It is genuinely nautical, and even starts with the same three letters. It isn't complicated, yet has complexities, and can be played 1v1 to 31, 61, or 121, and would also be a welcome addition to other oceans.

Gambling-style game: Nap. Everybody plays for themselves, and it is much simpler than hearts and spades (just 5 tricks). Play it with matchsticks; all at risk is ranking.
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Re: No hearts and spades on crimson?

Cribbage isn't complicated?! LOL Must just be me.

I say Go Fish or War.
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Re: No hearts and spades on crimson?

 

Spades is a game of partnerships, which can be hard to understand.

Hearts is a game where yer best strategy may well be to be nasty to the person that is already losing.


Spades is a complex team game but something liek pillaging isn't?

Hearts is less confrontational then say duel swordfighting/rumbling as far as I'm concerned as in these you aim to beat someone rather then like in hearts to simply keep your score lower then others. (you less actively try to sabotage others then protect your score )
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Re: No hearts and spades on crimson?

I rather leave in some intellectually stimulating games otherwise the ocean seems like 'No child left behind'.
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Re: No hearts and spades on crimson?

Go Fish would be hysterical, and so would Old Maid. Make the characters on the cards the OMs. Too funny. And if you won at Go Fish, you could win a fish bludgeon, one in new condition!

Also, what if the hearts and spades tables only allowed for one real person and the others were NPCs? Isn't that how the card games work when you play them on Windows?
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Re: No hearts and spades on crimson?

From what I understand, the changes made to create this Family Ocean have been dictated by the Entertainment Software Rating Board- the ESRB. By law, the Three Rings must comply with their ratings: a guide of which can be found here. I like yourselves, don't see hearts or spades as a form of gambling but as it has been removed for the Crimson Ocean, the ESRB must have deemed it to be so. OOO can't just add these two games purely because what their being asked to do doesn't makes sense.

Quite simply, I'd have thought the only reason these games were removed was because they had to be removed in order to make the game suitable for everyone. As it stands, hearts and spades are likely to not return.

What you also need to remember is that there are many other English Oceans (6 in fact) that do allow hearts and spades to be played. The vast majority of those who do play these games can do so there.
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Re: No hearts and spades on crimson?

 
I like yourselves, don't see hearts or spades as a form of gambling but as it has been removed for the Crimson Ocean, the ESRB must have deemed it to be so.
I have a hard time believing that the ESRB deemed hearts inappropriate - it comes standard with Windows and is included in every collection of kids card games I have ever seen.
I believe that the problem did indeed lie with either the wagering or scamming potential.
 
Also, what if the hearts and spades tables only allowed for one real person and the others were NPCs?
I'd love this option, even on the regular oceans. I really enjoy playing both hearts and spades...elsewhere (my personal favorite is the Parker Brother's Classic Card Games , which if you notice, is listed on a children's software site, because it has the "E for everyone" rating, and yes, it even had the option of playing with others over the internet.) I do not play it here on YPP however because I have had the misfortune of too many bad experiences with other players. I'd play it just for the enjoyment of playing - it wouldn't have to be rated. I would even say two people for Spades, and they could choose to play with each other vs the computer or each have a computer partner and play against each other.

 
Go Fish would be hysterical, and so would Old Maid. Make the characters on the cards the OMs. Too funny. And if you won at Go Fish, you could win a fish bludgeon, one in new condition!
Love it! :)

I picked up a game recently for one of my nephew's birthdays that was called something like "Crazy old fish war" which combined elements from crazy 8s, old maid, go fish, and war ~ maybe I should ask him what the rules were - sounded like a lot of crazy fun. :D
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Re: No hearts and spades on crimson?

Just straight up war, but with marine life for cards. "Clownfish." "Parrotfish. I win!" "Shark!" "Dolphin, sorry, I win again!" It'd be awesome.
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Re: No hearts and spades on crimson?

 
From what I understand, the changes made to create this Family Ocean have been dictated by the Entertainment Software Rating Board- the ESRB. By law, the Three Rings must comply with their ratings: a guide of which can be found here. I like yourselves, don't see hearts or spades as a form of gambling but as it has been removed for the Crimson Ocean, the ESRB must have deemed it to be so. OOO can't just add these two games purely because what their being asked to do doesn't makes sense.


The ESRB rating process is 100% optional for PC games (games for the major consoles are required by the console manufacturers to be rated by the ESRB). Puzzle Pirates itself was not rated until the box edition came out, and I suspect Ubisoft handled that. Many independent PC games do not have ratings because the rating process is rather expensive.

In fact, if you look on the ESRB site, you will only find one rating for Puzzle Pirates, the T that was issued for the original box...the only content descriptor is Use of Alcohol.
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Re: No hearts and spades on crimson?

 
In fact, if you look on the ESRB site, you will only find one rating for Puzzle Pirates, the T that was issued for the original box...the only content descriptor is Use of Alcohol.


It was almost as if they deliberately did that to ensure that they didn't need to comply with COPPA. Especially when the lower age limit was reduced from 14 to 13.
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Re: No hearts and spades on crimson?

 
It was almost as if they deliberately did that to ensure that they didn't need to comply with COPPA. Especially when the lower age limit was reduced from 14 to 13.

In some ways, it might be nice if they raised their age limit on the other oceans back to 14 or maybe even 15. (Grandfathering anyone who joined before the age change, of course.)
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Re: No hearts and spades on crimson?

If there will be no card games on Crimson - if - should the card-suit symbols be removed from the parlor badge?
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Re: No hearts and spades on crimson?

 
Randompanzy said in another thread about another missing puzzle:
log off, log onto one of the main oceans. problem solved :)


I think that sentence is more appropriate here :)

I like crimson because it has no poker dorks/parlour tarts, and although I would like a remake of the drinking puzzle with less alcohol orientated pieces and a non-alcoholic name, I find it easier to pillage because the people who log on to crimson log on to pillage and not sit around playing parlour games. No more "I'll be five minutes" Five hours later, your hearties are still on the card games.
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Re: No hearts and spades on crimson?

 
If there will be no card games on Crimson - if - should the card-suit symbols be removed from the parlor badge?

I'm currently still wondering whether this a serious comment or not but I'll assume it is for the sake of simpleness.

How are the card suits unsuitable for a younger audience? The card games are removed because of how they can be applied. The symbols on the cards don't have any actual "adult meaning" to them therefore it wouldn't make sense to replace them.
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Re: No hearts and spades on crimson?

I don't believe the question meant they thought that the card symbols were too adult but rather not accurately depicting parlor games. Personally I don't think it is a big issue, it is a pretty standard symbol for leisure activities.
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Re: No hearts and spades on crimson?

 
I don't believe the question meant they thought that the card symbols were too adult but rather not accurately depicting parlor games. Personally I don't think it is a big issue, it is a pretty standard symbol for leisure activities.

Oh right... that makes sense...

Nevertheless, I think the symbols should stay.
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Re: No hearts and spades on crimson?

In spades, you can be hurt by your teammate, in a very different way than in pillaging.

("You bleeping jerk, why'd you do that" versus "Next time we'll team better".)

Hearts? Yea, there's deliberate sabotage. It starts with passing with the intent to cause harm. I can see some parents wanting that lesson to not be learned.
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Re: No hearts and spades on crimson?

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Re: No hearts and spades on crimson?

i think it would be nice to have some card games nongambling since its under thirteen. put in some games liek hearts spades uno anything rummy just for the kids. they get bored with carousing since there is only one puzzle it makes duties seem more fun than carousing that's ridicolous. alteast consider putting in some card games.
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