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There seems to be nothing in the forums that address this subject. The War Frig and Grand Frig seem to have equal firepower. Other than additional bodies for a SF, does the Grand Frig have any other advantage over a War Frig, like perhaps taking more damage? This is assuming each is adequately manned.

I'm insane and one of these will be my first ship, and I aim to have one just because I can. Maybe some of you blockade veterans can enlighten me.
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WF gets three movement slots (i believe), GF gets two movement slots (I'm certain).

GF takes more damage.

GF has more gunning stations, so you reload your shots faster.

GF carries more people.

GF will have a tourney board, sometime, soon, some day

GF needs more people doing carp and bilge to maintain it.

GF can have even more people doing carp and bilge above the maintenence level, so they can recover from the smaller amounts of damage faster than a WF can.

GF's ramming ability is impressive :-).

Oh, and a GF can carry 4 sloops like a carrier plane :-)
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War firgates can move 3 tiles per turn while grand frigates can only move two, so that is a significant advantage. Other than that, grand frigates just have more ramming power I believe, so when you ram another ship with one it will cause more damage. Probably more guns also.

EDIT: And what Aquadrake said.
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The Influence Radius on a Grand Frigate is like a freaking huge guy.
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Ok thanks, Aquadrake summed up what 2 hours of forum searches couldn't. Now just have to figure if 65k more and the inability to staff the Grand is worth it.

One more question, I've seen the above deck pictures, how many sloops fit below deck? :-)
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The ship sizes in pictures for ye. and page two has the GF carryin' 4 sloops picture.

EDIT : also found this list o' stations per ship size, which is kinda cute and useful.
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I no longer have access to either, but for when you're in port, I seem to also recall that the War Frig does not have a brawling table, while the Grand Frigate does.
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And of course:

A Grand Frigate carries two and a half times as much cargo as a War Frigate.
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And twice as many bodies...I mean human beings.
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Odd. Both my War Frigate and Grand Frigate only have room for me, my gunner (Hi Inuki!) and 4 SF decoys...er...swabbies.
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I personally would choose a WF over a GF any day. The 2 tokens per turn restrictions makes it a sitting duck and nullifies any advantages it might have.
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This probably moves into Game Design, but would allowing the GF to shoot triple shots make up for the disadvantage of having 2 moves/turn?

Fitzchivalry, aka StinkyMagoo, aka Dr Nooyan von Fock gets props for mentioning the idea to me, but it seems he only posts to take obtuse jabs at me.

edit: spelling
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In pillages, you'd be taking the GF against another GF or WF so 2 vs 2 moves is still 'fair' and 2 vs 3 moves is awkward, but still doable. The key a vessel crewed to the point where it would overflow a war frigate. If you can't overflow a war frigate, its probably better to take the war frigate than a grand frigate.

In blockades, you would protect the GF with war brigs and cutters. A GF in a blockade is there for flag control or denial of a wide area. Just like in a modern navy you have a carrier group around a carrier to protect the carrier you would have some smaller ships around the grand frigate to help protect it in cases where it is out manuvered.
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Oorlian wrote: 
This probably moves into Game Design, but would allowing the GF to shoot triple shots make up for the disadvantage of having 2 moves/turn?

Fitzchivalry, aka StinkyMagoo, aka Dr Nooyan von Fock gets props for mentioning the idea to me, but it seems he only posts to take obtuse jabs at me.

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Quite likely (-- the thread that is, I don't believe that tripple shot would make up for the lack of manuverability when a war brig could sail circles around you and stay away from your broadside) though since I can't split threads... I'd like to see a grand frigate be able to fire a single medium in the front (and/or aft?) (4 ball loadable - 2 shootable/round). Not significant against another large ship where you're facing broadsides but something enough to make small ships think twice about sailing too close in some situations.
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Pillagingwise, I'd rather have a War Frigate. Blockadewise, I'd rather have a Grand Frigate (if you negate the body restrictions). That's to say, if I have a choice between a well manned War Frigate and a well manned Grand Frigate in a Blockade, I'd take the Grand Frigate by far.
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That said, if you had a choice between two well-manned War Frigates, and one well-manned Grand Frigate, which would you choose? ;)
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The Influence Radius on a Grand Frigate is like a freaking huge guy.


Shur, make my day and tell me you meant to reference Boondock Saints with that?
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54x wrote: 
That said, if you had a choice between two well-manned War Frigates, and one well-manned Grand Frigate, which would you choose? ;)


The Grand Frigate. It carries more commods than two War Frigates.

What? We're not doing a trade run? I don't understand...
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54x wrote: 
That said, if you had a choice between two well-manned War Frigates, and one well-manned Grand Frigate, which would you choose? ;)


That depends on who's Naving the other boat.

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The Influence Radius on a Grand Frigate is like a freaking huge guy.


Shur, make my day and tell me you meant to reference Boondock Saints with that?


Why don't you make like a tree... and get the scupper out of here!
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Imagine the front of the Grand Frig opening up like in that James Bond movie and a sloop full of remote plastic explosives and lazers being piloted by Hades (who would just laugh at the explosion and resulting doom) just meandering out and crashing into an opposing Grand Frig.

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Shuranthae wrote: 
Pillagingwise, I'd rather have a War Frigate. Blockadewise, I'd rather have a Grand Frigate (if you negate the body restrictions). That's to say, if I have a choice between a well manned War Frigate and a well manned Grand Frigate in a Blockade, I'd take the Grand Frigate by far.

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And btw, since a Grand Frigate only has 16 Bilge stations that caps it's optimizing crew at about 70-75. So it's more like three War Brigs or one War Frig and one War Brig instead of two War Frigs.
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hey wait im about shure grand frigs can moove 3 times cuz i was on a pillage (jobing[dont u dare call me a poor jobber{i have a war brig}])

maby they changed it in a patch
im about positive on this

oh and btw im saving for a war frig too at 24k ^^
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Mind the bump.

It is possible that, at one time, they may have only had 2 movement spaces. (I'm not sure, I haven't been on Y!PP that long.) However, currently the max movmement tokens per turn does appear to be 3 now.
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*Bump*

Some changes were made since those earlier posts.

GF's move was upped from two per turn to three per turn.
Good luck generating three tokens per turn on your sails.

They still only have double large shot, so their offensive firepower equals the WF.

They have the ability to carry twice as many people as needed, giving more bodied in SF.

At one point, AI Bots in fully loaded GF's were known to timeout before entering the puzzle. That may have been on older hardware.

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lol
 
good luck generating 3 tokens per turn


i guess ur right, sometimes i cant make 2 on a sloop lol
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i just got a war frig and i did some of study on them on YPP

the only reasom Gfrigs are better is because of their SF capacity
defilatly not worth 60k more
they only take 5 more shots to sink and 3 more to max the SF
and its insane enugh getting tokens on a Wfrig i cant even imagine the sailors it would take on a Gfrig then again picking off sloops in a blockade is quite fun but u can do it just as fun with a Wfrig
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Grand frig also has more capacity so it would be more useful to merchants. But it kinda slow and you need alot of ppl to work it.
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I have 2 reasons to say GF is much better than WF. One-- note this only applies for pillies-- the GF can hold twice as much a WF, and in this event that it get maxed and wf completely ok, the 157 ppl on GF with half a board equals a wf- about 75 ppl, of full boards.
Two-- i know this wasn't like this when u psotd-- now GF can also move 3 moves.
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Mind the near 1 year bump of another 1 year bump.

These days it is near impossible to get enough people to man a Grand Frigate even on the busiest ocean.
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