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mikeslilman
Joined: Apr 6, 2006 Posts: 349 Status: Offline |
I've not really played much for the last week or so, just logging on to chat with a few people, but when i logged on today I noticed that the bnav ult list has been turned somewhat upside down. Alot of the big names (Darlie, Blodybladz, Hagriad etc..) were missing and plenty of new faces have popped up. We had a quick chat in crew and figured that there must have been some kind of changes to the scoring. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, heck infact i haven't been on the ult list in nearly a year now kinda nice to get back on there, but was just wondering if i've missed an annoucement from the OMs about scoring tweaks or if anyone has any suggests of what may have been changed. TJ ---------------------------------------- Captaintj of Cobalt Senior Officer of Valentine Dragon Member of the flag Anbin Alayam |
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jillale
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Eh, I'm thinking it was the weekend and maybe none of the usual peeps did a pillage. Correct me if I'm wrong but even if they were online to do a flotilla, smh or blockade event, these would not count toward keeping them at the top of the bnav list. My guess is, once they do a pilly they'll be back on the list the next day. I've seen Blodybladz do that plenty of times... be completely off the list from lack of pillaging and then do a pillage and be #1 or #2 the next day. ---------------------------------------- ~Ironwilljill *the opinions expressed by the poster are entirely her own and not necessarily an accurate reflection of the opinions of her flagmates |
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gooblenka
Joined: Nov 12, 2006 Posts: 899 Status: Offline |
Unless they've changed this recently, this is wrong. It seems Atlantis/flotillas/etc. don't affect ranking in bnav, but do keep bnav rank undormant. Besides, there are a couple navvers Tj mentions above who aren't even dormant on the lists -- they're just not in the top 10 like they usually are. It's weird to see a bunch of navvers drop out of the top 10 at the same time. ---------------------------------------- Jooles on Garona. <3 |
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Paul_pegleg
Joined: Aug 28, 2006 Posts: 102 Status: Offline |
I am not sure if there was ever anything posted as to how they score Bnav in the first place. I have not seen it anyways and if they did, please post the link here. After stating that, they could have done anything to the way it is scored and not said a word to anyone. I am sure it would not be the first time that has happened. Or they may not have done anything at all and not sure there is anyone that would tell if they knew. I am not the best Bnavver but I am pretty good at it. Anyone that pillages with me knows they can count on some good poe at the end of it. And I do hope to make it into the top 10 in rankings one day. I am in the top 10 on the experience side but I have not made it into the rankings side just yet. So maybe it is just a bunch of players that have not really been noticed till now that are breaking into those ranks. Good luck to them and to all Bnavvers for making it anywhere on the rankings/experience list since it only shows the top 10 for each arch and for the entire Cobalt ocean. I do wish the list was a little longer to see just how far one needs to improve to make the top 10 but that is not my decision. Fair winds and good poe to you. Dukeofwales Captain of the Crimson Sabers King of the Crimson Horizons Cobalt Ocean |
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Foilistc
Joined: Mar 15, 2005 Posts: 1519 Status: Offline |
They're never formally posted what goes into the scoring. The following list were all things that I believed, and still believe effect your score: Strength of Brigand/Barb (Not all Imps are created equal) Shot ratio (Be on the side with more hits given than recieved) Time it took to get to said ratio and grapple (The faster the better) Who initiated the grapple. (I've always believed that if they do, it's not as good a score as when you initiate the grapple from behind or front. Simultaneous grapples count as them grappling) That's basically all that goes into it from my limited perspective. It's all that can go into it as far as I can tell. I've been working on naving with the navy on an ocean and seeing how high I can get a character if all they do is nav with the navy. So far I've reached Renowned, but haven't reached GM. There are ways to help yourself along certainly. Fight really difficult ships, and don't mind getting beat up in the SF. I was pretty regularly on the top 10 list when I was playing as a full time job (so it seemed), and I was using Brig Pillages to keep me there, with an occasional sloop pilly if I had a bad day on a brig. Fighting a hard War Frig was actually not as good for my score as fighting a Grand Frig from that brig. And the GF goes dead in the water faster so you get to max and grapple faster most of the time. (WFs tend to continue moving, darn them!) Same with larger ships with a sloop. Merchant Brigs were a pain, but you could get them dead in the water faster, and they scored better than cutters which continue to move more after maxed. Anyway, just my 2 poe. Foilistc ---------------------------------------- I'm old. I don't look it but I'm beginning to feel it in my heart... |
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mikeslilman
Joined: Apr 6, 2006 Posts: 349 Status: Offline |
Well the last pillage i led was around 7 days ago and i didn't go straight onto the board, seems strange, if i'd have done something amazing on that pillage (which i didn't i just did a standard inter-arch sloop against nothing tougher than an orange longship) i would have gone straight onto the board, not seeked on there a week later. I'm pretty sure they've changed something, or added another factor into the ones Foil stated above. If not, congratz to all the new-comers on the list :). TJ ---------------------------------------- Captaintj of Cobalt Senior Officer of Valentine Dragon Member of the flag Anbin Alayam |
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darhand
Joined: Oct 2, 2007 Posts: 131 Status: Offline |
Heh thanks for this post, I hadn't checked the list in a few days and suddenly after trying for a few months to get higher then #10, I'm #7. I haven't bnavved since last Wednesday, so either something has changed or a lot of the regulars have all stopped pillaging for a bit (I have seen other race from the bottom to the top in a single day before too) ---------------------------------------- Btza on Cobalt A cross-platform damage counter and XO-tool can be found at www.unreadable.nl/ypp.php (post) |
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ysaksu
 Joined: Mar 10, 2005 Posts: 101 Status: Offline |
Thankies Tj for bringing this up. I've been wondering what was going on with the bnav standings for the last week. See, I haven't bnavved since around May until last Thursday. Although I did horribly on that one single battle I bnavved for, I was the 7th bnavver the next day. Ever since then I kept going up on the list without going abroad a ship, and today I'm #2. On the other hand, Darlie, who was #3 yesterday, is not even on the list today. So yeah. Something has certainly changed about the way the list is formed. Maybe atlantis/flottila runs now affect the bnav ratings? I really don't know. Not like I'm complaining anyway. I enjoy the free stat-boost. ---------------------------------------- Yasemin on most of the oceans. Random pirate in the inn says, "Yase always tearing people down. Yer rudeness is known across all the known across all the known oceans of Puzzle Pirates. Funny my 1st day on this ocean I find you." |
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jillale
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Ok, thanks for the correction... however, maybe event blockades don't count because Blodybladz did bnav in one on saturday and is still dormant today on the bnav list. Interesting thread. Oh, and btw, congrats to all who've gone up in the list and who may be getting their #1 trophies! ---------------------------------------- ~Ironwilljill *the opinions expressed by the poster are entirely her own and not necessarily an accurate reflection of the opinions of her flagmates ---------------------------------------- [Edit 1 times, last edit by jillale at Sep 8, 2008 1:36:26 PM] |
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moonmaiden79
Joined: Aug 16, 2005 Posts: 585 Status: Offline |
As far as conspiracy theories go I've also noticed a lot more sinks in Atlantis than usual. 7/8 of the last trips I was on sunk. I think they may have also tweaked the spawn and aggression rates. If Atlantis is now affecting bnav rating a lot of those bnavers run Atlantis trips too... So maybe there is a link between the two? ---------------------------------------- Stabatha Cobalt (& others) |
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wrs1864b
Joined: Apr 10, 2006 Posts: 2824 Status: Offline |
<derail> No clue about bnav ratings, but OOO has changed around the spawns in atlantis recently. Originally, monsters would respawn if you left the board for 5 minutes, which left a lot of bnavvers entering, killing only the close/easy stuff, then leaving to reset the board. After shutting the loophole down, they found that monsters weren't spawning often enough, so the upped them. I haven't been in atlantis for months (I don't like large ships), but if this is a problem, it should probably be mentioned on the game design forum. </derail> ---------------------------------------- Algol can not assert the truth of all statements in this post and still be consistent. |
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mikeslilman
Joined: Apr 6, 2006 Posts: 349 Status: Offline |
Hmmmm, the link between navving in atlantis and falling bnav standings seems to make sense. The names missing seem to match upto regular atlantis bnavvers. I guess the big question would be if anyone's bnav stats have changed while bnavving in atlantis? We can't really say it definately is the factor yet, more theories please? TJ ---------------------------------------- Captaintj of Cobalt Senior Officer of Valentine Dragon Member of the flag Anbin Alayam |
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slntslayer
Joined: Jan 21, 2006 Posts: 3686 Status: Offline |
Mine has never changed in atlantis nor flotillas ---------------------------------------- When all else fails, go blow something up. I'm a BK hunting trollop, and how!
Rashnu i R slo kiddo..... |
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Blodybladz
Joined: Nov 26, 2006 Posts: 53 Status: Offline |
Sat. i bnav in the TLM event,, monday i bnav in lanty, im still dorment. so them two dont keep anyone from going dorment. ill pilly bnav today and see u all back in top ;)... Lanty has no effect on bnav stat's, but the battles going to and from lanty can change your rank. ---------------------------------------- Blodybladz Captain and Navigator of Fire and Ice King of Elements of Fear ---------------------------------------- [Edit 1 times, last edit by Blodybladz at Sep 9, 2008 4:56:12 AM] |
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smacd87
Joined: Jul 8, 2007 Posts: 236 Status: Offline |
While we're on the subject, there's something I've been wanting to know... Does disengaging from a battle - say, on a trade run, or to/from atlantis and flotillas like Blody mentioned - negatively affect your bnav rating? Does that answer change if you give/take any shots before the disengage? What about if you're on a pillage and the opponent disengages, does that count against you because you weren't able put enough shots into him in time? (<-- totally hypothetical, and never happened to me... <.< >.> ) Otherwise thanks for all this info that I've never really been able to find, especially your list Foil. ---------------------------------------- Santhiago of Cobalt Captain of Loot Scootin' Boogie Prince of Scatter Plot Avatar inspired by Psyyche, thank ye for being my muse :D |
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ysaksu
Joined: Mar 10, 2005 Posts: 101 Status: Offline |
Yes, it does, but I'm not sure what exactly happens when the opponent disengages. (Though, brigands/barbarians do not disengage, usually) If you're referring to pvps...So far from what I witnessed in pvp bnav, your rank still goes down regardless of the score/other bnavver's rank/duration/grapple. ---------------------------------------- Yasemin on most of the oceans. Random pirate in the inn says, "Yase always tearing people down. Yer rudeness is known across all the known across all the known oceans of Puzzle Pirates. Funny my 1st day on this ocean I find you." ---------------------------------------- [Edit 1 times, last edit by ysaksu at Sep 9, 2008 12:06:56 PM] |
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cindersiren
Joined: Mar 20, 2006 Posts: 290 Status: Offline |
not to completely get off topic, but i think carp scoring might have been altered, too. i logged on today after not carping for at least two days to finally get the ultimate carpenter, something i've never managed to get at any other point in my entire time on this pirate. i'm also at sublime, and have been for a while which makes things a bit weirder. ----------------------------------------
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Roleni
Joined: Aug 28, 2003 Posts: 3435 Status: Offline |
It hasn't been. The ult list fluctuates in size - it was much larger a couple months ago, then started shrinking...it's bigger again. Alts I'd gotten up to ult and hadn't played dropped to leg, and went back up to ult recently. I got my ult nav the same way. :P ---------------------------------------- Thalatta & others Hera tells ye, "You got me so flustered by the spanking, I booched my chat response!" Hera tells ye, "Purple is the most awesome colour ever!" |
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cdngrl11
Joined: Jan 16, 2005 Posts: 238 Status: Offline |
I can confirm that disengages do not revive dormancy since I've had a few on the way to flots and would be on the list if my bnav wasn't dormant. I know flots and Lanty don't revive. I think the list change has a lot more to do with busy folks than with any changes to how it's figured.... One criteria that Foil didn't mention (I don't think but can't scroll back that far) is that total bnav experience plays a huge part in where on the list you will be and if you can make it. The top 10 is ranked (generally) in descending order of total experience so an illustrious mate will almost always rank above and expert and and 'expert pushing illustrious' will rank above a 'just made expert' and so forth. ---------------------------------------- Loola, Queen of National Pirate Radio |
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Paul_pegleg
Joined: Aug 28, 2006 Posts: 102 Status: Offline |
I have noticed one thing that really affects a Bnav rank and that is definitely the grapple. You can max the enemy and grapple them 30 times in a row and may not even see your ranking increase. But get grappled twice by the enemy and watch it fall. The quicker you can max and grapple the better it counts toward your stats but to get maxed and grappled will count far worse against your rank. I also think that maybe as with the other puzzles the rankings of all the other bnavvers will also influence how fast you go up or down in ranking. Dukeofwales Captain of the Crimson Sabers King of the Crimson Horizons Cobalt Ocean |
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treese
Joined: Jul 8, 2004 Posts: 653 Status: Offline |
It's weird, I've been grappled by the enemy within the first 2-3 moves while inflicting minimal damage on either part and my nav rank has gone up... But yet, some nights I can have 10-15 battles with yellows and some oranges, grappling first well before any disengage announcements, 0-max or 2-max, with mebbe 1 loss and the stat won't move an inch. Other nights I can battle 1 green and it goes up. Doesn't seem to make sense. On the carp puzzle, hadn't really paid much attention to the rankings, but what i have noticed in the past week or so is that the piece generation seems more random than before, ie, the pieces that I would see more often, I'm not seeing. Could just be me though. ---------------------------------------- TammyGal Cobalt Ocean Captain of Boochin' Drunks - One of the founding crews of Cobalt Lady of the all-grown-up CAPS LOCK Kiddies, Super Awesomeness!! (awesome avatar by Darkfaery!) |
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ByeThunda
Joined: Jun 9, 2005 Posts: 2136 Status: Offline |
I just like to say "Blum Blum Shub". ---------------------------------------- Mr. J. Skidwanlus 22 Acacia Avegnu Napi Peak, Cobalt, 11235 |
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wrs1864b
Joined: Apr 10, 2006 Posts: 2824 Status: Offline |
Scoring is rated on a curve, with able being the bottom 50% of the active players while ultimate bing the top 1%. OOO has announced that Subscription oceans receiving extra new players, which means there are more ables, and therefore more ultimates than before. ---------------------------------------- Algol can not assert the truth of all statements in this post and still be consistent. |
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eeyore_guy
Joined: Sep 3, 2005 Posts: 584 Status: Offline |
Time to get those ults! ---------------------------------------- The one and only me. |
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