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Calihari
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I'm currently Able in Bnav and I'm trying to get my standing up. I've read around the forums on some guides and such and there seems to be different theories on how to get it up. This is what I've collected: - The faster you grapple the better - The more damage on your opponent the better - The lower your damage the better - The higher your opponents rank the better Another thing I heard was that if you have a low standing in Bnav and if you grapple quickly, like in the first few turns, you will help to get your standing up. ---------------------------------------- Starri of Viridian Ocean Fleet Officer of MasterBilly Bites |
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RoyalHeart
Joined: Apr 23, 2008 Posts: 27 Status: Offline |
All of that will help but what will help the most .... is that you stay on the same mission for a while. While doing all those things like: fast grapple,Full Damage and so on.... So Stay For a while on the same ship and mission this will help alot ---------------------------------------- RoyalHeart Senior Officer and Ambassador of the Elite Corsairs Member of Rum Soaked Devils Viridian and Malachite Ocean (~Only~) Little monkey says :'' I need coin... '' |
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madzack2918
Joined: Aug 8, 2007 Posts: 1289 Status: Offline |
It should also be noted, as with any other duty puzzle, it takes time for your standing to go up. Don't expect to get distinguished bnav after only 2 or 3 battles. It is also a generally accepted theory that bnav standings go up faster in real-pillages with other pirates then when soloing with the navy.
While this is true, with able bnav you are probably only spawning sailors which are the lowest rank ships. Try attacking other peoples imperial-spawns or sailing on an interarch-route.
While this may be somewhat true for Imperials and high-level brigands, grappling at 0-0 against sailors will not help your standing much if at all. I would also like to state that it has always been my theory that you get more bnaving points if you are bnaving on a ship larger-than-a-sloop. While this is just a theory of mine it has worked for me in the past. ---------------------------------------- Omegaking
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scm621
Joined: Mar 25, 2007 Posts: 1349 Status: Offline |
I have a few related questions... What is the relative effect of ship size differences? I ask because, obviously, if I go after a war brig or larger in a navy sloop (I have) and max it without getting shot myself, I'm likely going to take longer than if I go after a sloop. Should I just be sticking to sloops? (As a side note, maxing a huge ship is all fun and good until you get to the battle, realize they have enough to either team in threes or quad team everyone on your ship, and get demolished. Good thing I didn't pay for the stock) EDIT: Oh, I did know that results of melee didn't have an effect, I just forgot to specify when going through my question, so thanks next poster :D And... Attack red ships...exclusively Imps of matching size, or any ship that's red? Because lots of ships are red not because the opponents are tough but because they're huge ships. ---------------------------------------- Searmin of the Midnight Ocean Currently unaffiliated ---------------------------------------- [Edit 1 times, last edit by scm621 at May 13, 2008 8:01:32 PM] |
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madzack2918
Joined: Aug 8, 2007 Posts: 1289 Status: Offline |
Yes but the results of the melle have ABSOLUTLEY NO EFFECT ON YOUR BATTLE NAVIGATION STANDING. So while you may very well lose the battle, you'll still be gaining tons of bnaving points so you'll probably end up winning in the long run.
I don't think it goes by the actual size of your opponents ship, but rather their might ring and ship class (sailors, scurvy dogs, sea lords...). As far as sticking with sloops go, if your able bnav and just going for distinguished then i would. You don't need to be going against imperial WFs just to get it up. However, if your trying to get to a GM + standing then you'll have to start going after stronger ships (oranges / light reds). My theory of what efffects your overal bnaving standing (in order from most influence to less influence): 1. Damage delt to your opponent 1. Damage recieved (tied with damage delt) 3. Rank of opponent (might ring and class) 4. Number of turns the battle lasted (the less the better) 5. WHO GRAPPLED WHO (you actually get more points if your the one doing the grappling) ---------------------------------------- Omegaking
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Calihari
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Does you still get points if the score is like 0-.5 or 0-1? Also, how does getting a tie affect you? ---------------------------------------- Starri of Viridian Ocean Fleet Officer of MasterBilly Bites |
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madzack2918
Joined: Aug 8, 2007 Posts: 1289 Status: Offline |
To answer your first question: yes you still get points but not as many as you would if you maxed them. When I said tied with damage delt, i ment that damaged delt and damaged recieved have an equal influence on your overal battle navigation standings. ---------------------------------------- Omegaking
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Calihari
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So, if you get like 2-2, your Bnav would go nowhere? Also, if I'm not spawning Sailors that much (if I'm battling Scoundrels, Mostly Harmless, etc.) does that mean my Battle Navigation is going up? ---------------------------------------- Starri of Viridian Ocean Fleet Officer of MasterBilly Bites ---------------------------------------- [Edit 2 times, last edit by Calihari at May 14, 2008 4:20:16 PM] |
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madzack2918
Joined: Aug 8, 2007 Posts: 1289 Status: Offline |
No, you have to do better than even-damage if you want your bnav standing to go up. To your second question: Yes, but keep in mind mostly harmless is only 1 above sailors. ---------------------------------------- Omegaking
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Calihari
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I've been getting around Scoundrels and I got Blaggards once so far. I've been getting more shots into them then getting hit, so I suppose I'm improving. ---------------------------------------- Starri of Viridian Ocean Fleet Officer of MasterBilly Bites |
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dragmosh5
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The reason for this is because the people on your ship affect your might ring and the might ring of the other ships. If you are with the navy, it spawns ships based on only your stats (not sure about bots but they probably dont count much if at all). If you, lets say, spawn a red ship with the navy, that ship might be green or even blue if you had more pirates aboard. Therefore, if you are on pillage where you have other pirates aboard, the hardness of the the other ships is higher so your bnav goes up more. One last thing, there are levels within imperials, if you have people on your pillage with high piracy stats (TH doesnt count), you will be spawning the highest level imperials. ---------------------------------------- Dragmosh, rumbling on all oceans |
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digbones
 Joined: May 13, 2006 Posts: 63 Status: Offline |
With Navy Bnav I'v found that the first step up from Able to Distinguished usually takes the longest, for me it was 10-12 battles. However this was when I only grapple when I had maxxed the other ship, also i didn't attack other ships but waited for spawns to attack me. From then on the step up from Distinguished to Respected to Master is relatively simple. I think the whole issue why that 1st step takes the longest is something to do with the experience needed for that rank to come, but i can't be sure. ---------------------------------------- Patricide- Hunter Ocean Caesar- Malachite |
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Bauds
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Though you go up faster with low experience, it's still gradual, and also depends on the skill level of the rest of the ocean (distinguished is top 50% I think) compared to you. The effect of a battle on your bnav stat depends mainly on their might ring, which is determined in itself by skill level and number of the enemy. So Equal damage isn't so bad if their imperial (in terms of stats) until you make renowned, but once when a light blue ship attacked me, I went down in bnav from a max-0.5 just because of the difference in the might ring. I've seen many great bnavers take a long time in their battles - a good score is what is important. As far as I can see/work out it is only bad if they can disengage, so long as you get enough hits to prevent them being able to do that you should be worrying more about your jobbers. I'd say concentrate on the damage you do rather than the time, though of course your jobbers patience and their repairing must be thought about. Finally, I wouldn't recommend attacking red ships, as even if they are roughly the same size they can be far harder, and they can have far more on board. Use YPP Pedia to find green routes and then yellow and orange, as this has a big effect on their difficulty. You don't need to attack orange or red ships to get a good stat in bnav, you just need to be consistent, like any other puzzle. Think of max-1 as incredible, and try and always get that or better, rather than go for harder enemies (less chance of success unless you are GM bnav) or bigger ships (much harder, much more costly in rum and shot, often not worth it in terms of the poe). Oh and I almost forgot, try for dread lords and sea lords, as they're not too hard but hard enough for your bnav to go up faster, poe to be better, and like imperials can work out easier as they're more methodical/predictable. Hitting them more often is a good sign, I'd say with the right routes and ememy ships your stat will go up :-) |
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Chaosrunner9
 Joined: Feb 9, 2008 Posts: 832 Status: Offline |
Not so sure about that. I once maxed a Grand Frigate Max-0 on a sloop and grappled, and my standing didn't budge. P.S. Wasn't worth the trouble and cbs as well, we lost the SF. (They outnumbered us 56-5) P.S.S We got em down to 17! ---------------------------------------- - The light at the end of the tunnel is probably a train. |
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Calihari
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Well, last night my Bnav went up to Distinguished :) Before that battle I often got around max-1. On the battle that it went up, I actually did worse and it was like 5-4 or max-4 (not sure :S) I suppose if they were Imps then it would make sense, but I didn't see what Rank they were, because I was busy with something else at the time they attacked me and I had to leave after I grappled and couldn't stay until after the battle to see their rank. Well, either way, I'm pretty proud that I got it up thanks to much help :) Thanks again! ---------------------------------------- Starri of Viridian Ocean Fleet Officer of MasterBilly Bites |
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dragmosh5
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well, if you were winning those previous max-1 battles, this ship was probably imperial, because they become harder the more battles you win. P.S. i got my grand master bnav on a 0-0 getting grappled on the 2nd turn ---------------------------------------- Dragmosh, rumbling on all oceans |
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Puremonopoly
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this is what i reccomend max don't get hit grappel the faster you max and grappel the better if you do that for every battle. your rank will go up sooner or later your rank strarts to go up after you hit narrow. but that may just be me ---------------------------------------- GENERAL ENTERPRISE is recruiting all eager pirates to join a GREAT crew STRONG FUN AND FAIR send me a tell to join GENERAL ENTERPRISE. GENERAL ENTERPRISE is paying reasonable amount of poe to all small crews who merge with General Enterprise. |
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Calihari
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Argh! It went back down to Able T.T I'm working to get it back. I didn't do any Bnav yesterday, which is why I think my Bnav went down...Well, back to practicing my Bnav :) ---------------------------------------- Starri of Viridian Ocean Fleet Officer of MasterBilly Bites |
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Calihari
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Avast! My Bnav has once again hit Distinguished >.< This time I know they were Imps and the score was like .5-4 (around there if my memory serves me right), but the .5 didn't show as a grey block on the rumble board, i don't know if this is normal or not :S This is how I remember it, I fought two battles one against Sailors and one against Mostly Harmless. They both ended in a 0-max score. Then I fought Imps. The score was 4.5-5, I think. Then more Imps came along and that was the battle by Bnav went up :) I just thought that I would give the statistics for other mates out there that wish to improve their Bnav :) ---------------------------------------- Starri of Viridian Ocean Fleet Officer of MasterBilly Bites |
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captin_admin
Joined: Dec 29, 2005 Posts: 20 Status: Offline |
With the navy, only fight imps and sea lords.A friend of mine hit renowned doing this. ---------------------------------------- Just another Nobody... |
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bethieboo
Joined: Dec 29, 2005 Posts: 286 Status: Online |
There's a lot of good advice in this thread, but some of it seems to be a little misunderstood. The things you want to focus on to rank up are (in my opinion): 1. Their fame. Once, back when I still pillaged, I made the mistake of engaging a ship only ranked Sea Lords. I fought and maxed them quickly, but my rank dropped from Legendary to GM. It sucks. 2. Grappling them before they grapple you. 3. Maxing them is great, but be sure to focus on being efficient with your shots. Wasting 50 smalls just to max a sloop doesn't help. Which leads to 4. Being efficient with your time. Just like wasting shot doesn't help, neither does playing so safe you take 20 minutes just to hit them twice. Also, getting hit sucks as far as the fray and damage control, but don't freak out over it. I've ranked up after being maxed before (renowned) and I got my ultimate off a max-3 battle or so. ---------------------------------------- Seraphie used to make avatars Vonwerder says, "You sound like an idiot." |
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Lingeron0
 Joined: Apr 27, 2008 Posts: 142 Status: Offline |
This. It should teach you all you need to know to get to at least Renowned, the rest is up to you. ---------------------------------------- Signatures are overrated. |
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TheVicar007
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Go on real pillages (if you can) do your best and your stat will track your success or failure. No need to obsess over statistics as they change based on your performance more than on attempts to manipulate them. |
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SirCarl67
Joined: Feb 5, 2006 Posts: 1529 Status: Offline |
To a certain extent I disagree with this. When you are running real pillages you are risking not only the cost of your stock but also the wages of your jobbers. There are already too many people wanting to lead pillages than jobbers to support them and taking jobbers out of the pool and losing lots of battles so they get little or no pay isn't fair. Bnav with the navy until you can consistently max them with only a couple of shots being taken yourself (say 75% of battles ending max-2 or less). Make sure you know all the other requirements for running a pillage (how and what to stock, how to divide, what ships to engage, encouraging rather than blaming jobbers etc). Then start running real pillages. ---------------------------------------- If you can keep your head when all around you are losing their's you may have seriously underestimated the severity of the situation |
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sweetnessc
Joined: Nov 10, 2004 Posts: 15063 Status: Offline |
Maximizing your bnav rating does not maximize your voyage payouts per hour spent. Which is why you should ignore your bnav rating and pay attention to what you need to do so that your crew will win most of the time as quickly and as often as it can. The bnav rating scores quite different things than that (and doesn't care if you win or lose the battle). ---------------------------------------- Sweetiepiepi, nav of Tyr's Own and Warrior Kitten Pomfret: Because I am a Fruitcake. And because I can. Sublime is shame. |
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false_dmitri
Joined: Feb 18, 2007 Posts: 2134 Status: Offline |
That tutorial dates back several years. If I remember correctly, it relies on last-second moves as a core strategy, which doesn't work anymore (or is not needed, at any rate). Follow Hawkings' rules from this thread, instead: http://forums.puzzlepirates.com/community/mvnforum/viewthread?thread=157866 Don't worry about bnav rank. If you do full damage and take none every battle, you are doing everything right. If you're getting shot a lot, figure out how to fix that. As to scoring, I'm back up to #5 in Viridian after hitting #1 while the new system sorted itself off. Time means nothing. Which ship grapples means nothing. How much damage you take could mean nothing, or at least less than other factors. Ending battles versus difficult opponents means something. How much damage you do to the enemy might mean something, or it might not. Since the scoring update, I have been early grappled, I have taken serious damage, and I have not disengaged a bad battle to reengage an easy one. This hasn't done much to hold back my rank. ---------------------------------------- Back in computer limbo |
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