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It would be really nice if, when a course is officially charted, it displayed the total number of leagues in the course and an estimate for how much rum/grog/swill will be consumed per player for those leagues.

Also, will the "mouse-over a shipdeed to see where the ship is located" feature be implemented? It wasn't clear if that one made "The List" or not.
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I don't know if the rum estimate would work, since rum consumption is based on time sailed rather than distance traveled.

It could take some pirates 5 minutes to go 2 leagues if constantly under attack, and it could take some 1 minute to go that far if they get to full speed in half a league.

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My concerns are:

1) accuracy: like shoppes' work completion estimates, it could be quite inaccurate, for the reason Pythos mentioned.

2) realism: people would have had to estimate one their own


My concerns with my concerns:

1) accuracy: for the most part, people seem happy to have even a CLUE as to when something will be done, so even if inaccurate, it would help

2) realism: fun over realism. It's not actually FUN to do that math, so why should we?


I think showing either a minimum rum consumed for such a journey (based on number of pirates aboard) or an average amount (based on the "full complement" used in number of swabbies") would be good, as long as people knew that's what it was.
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I'd settle for just a number of leagues total count.
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Well, you *can* just count the number of leagues, but I can see how it would be handy.

A rum estimate would just be too unwieldly, since one person leaving the ship, and having either someone of differant rank, or a swabbie come aboard throws the whole thing off.

Higher ranks use more rum, and swabbies can actually function off of swill and grog rather than soak up rum, so if you had anything other than *just* fine rum on board, an estimate would also be almost impossible.

Plus, do we really want people figureing out exactly how little rum they need for a certain trip? To figure out that they actually only need 2 rum and 3 grog where they would have bought 5 rum? My goodness, the rum economy would crash and burn!!! And, given that it's rum, burn for quite a long time. Plus it sounds a little too much like giving out numbers, since Rum is a vital component of sailing.
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Plus, do we really want people figureing out exactly how little rum they need for a certain trip? To figure out that they actually only need 2 rum and 3 grog where they would have bought 5 rum? My goodness, the rum economy would crash and burn!!! And, given that it's rum, burn for quite a long time. Plus it sounds a little too much like giving out numbers, since Rum is a vital component of sailing.


This was half tongue-in-cheek, but dances around a good point. Who really cares? Any good SO can estimate reasonably well. What's wrong with having more rum than you actually need right now. Heaven forbid someone attack your ship and take a barrel.

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Even if the rum estimate was based on a lot of assumptions, I'd still find it useful. Estimating the amount you need to run a Small Sloop seems fairly straightforward, but if I were to take out a War Brig or something, I'd really have no clue at all how much rum a crew that size would require.
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I'd really have no clue at all how much rum a crew that size would require.


A lot.

Again I stress: where is the downside of having too much?
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Nemo wrote: 
This was half tongue-in-cheek, but dances around a good point. Who really cares?


Well, I couldn't just come out and say it now could I, I have a greeter image to keep up.

. o 0 (Unless I could hack Russel's account, then I could say whatever i wanted)
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Well, I couldn't just come out and say it now could I, I have a greeter image to keep up.

But . . . but . . . that's only in-game, right? I mean, Squiddles' name might be pink, but Squidbeard's name is black as night, black as coal. I thought the whole point of Greeter-dom was to work off all the bad karma I accumulate here!

Oh, dear. I need to sit down. Where's my rum? [size=9]Don't panic, Squid. Everything will be just fine...

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P.S. Just keep plenty of rum around. If you can afford a ?25,000 ship, you can surely handle an extra 20 rum now and then, right?
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Nemo wrote: 
Nykkel wrote: 
I'd really have no clue at all how much rum a crew that size would require.

A lot.
Again I stress: where is the downside of having too much?

Aye, rum consumption isn't a big deal. The first time you take yer brig out, put 50 in the hold. See how long you're out on the seas, and how much rum is left at the end. It'll give you a good idea.

I'd kind of like to see a 'leagues remaining' counter on the charted course. It'd be a curiosity when we're sailin' from Diamond to Opal, but only a curiosity.

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atteSmythe wrote: 
who realizes that 50 is way too much, but it's a nice convenient number


Ahem! There is NEVER too much rum. Only too little.
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Ahem! There is NEVER too much rum. Only too little.


There's the little bit of realism you were looking for, Homullus!
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Spending an extra thousand poe on rum I won't need is annoying. Sure, I could put 100 rum on board a ship (in theory), and not worry about running out. But if I really only need to have 30 on board to make my trip with a reasonable safety margin, then I'm losing a lot more rum each time I get pillaged than if I were only carrying 30.

Yes, yes. I know. "Don't get pillaged." Arrange that with the brigands. :-P

Since this is a Beta Test anyway, perhaps I should just grab a ship, stock it with a supply of rum and some bored crewmates, and see if I can determine a rough estimate of the Rum formula.

And of course, not share it. :)
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There WILL be such a thing as too much rum when inventory decay sets in, though . . . which brings us back to that estimate being useful.
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Nykkel wrote: 
Since this is a Beta Test anyway, perhaps I should just grab a ship, stock it with a supply of rum and some bored crewmates, and see if I can determine a rough estimate of the Rum formula.
And of course, not share it. :)

Actually, IIRC, the Rum Formula has been posted here already.

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I don't know. I still think it would be hard to calculate rum estimations without knowing who's going to be aboard and how often you're likely to get tied up in battle (and have to get back up to speed again). A route with lots of traffic will likely cause you to be stopped more often. A good Navigator will let you get up to speed much quicker, which trims time off your voyage AND makes you harder to intercept (by shortening your vulnerable 'slow' period).

Nikkel himself said that figuring rum supplies for sloops was pretty straightforward. But the factors that complicate things for you or me when figuring large-ship supplies don't go away when the game is doing the figuring. I guess my concern is that any estimate the game spits out is going to be sufficiently arbitrary as to be useless. At least when I'm coming up with my arbitrary guesses, I know what assumptions I've made.

Doing an estimate in your head, and adding an extra N rum for a cushion, seems a reasonable way to go. If you have 20 more than you need aboard, you run the risk of losing 2 extra if you lose a battle. That's only 100-150 poe, depending on how and where you buy rum. At the risk of repeating myself: if you're running a big ship, a couple of hundred poe hardly registers.

Besides, I've already come out in favor of ships having more goods aboard in order to make PvP a little more meaningful. I gotta at least try to stay consistent!

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tedv wrote: 
It would be really nice if, when a course is officially charted, it displayed the total number of leagues in the course and an estimate for how much rum/grog/swill will be consumed per player for those leagues.


Not going to happen. Too many variables. Rum consumption is based on time, who is on board, and what kind of rum you're consuming. I do want to put something in that lists the relative strengths of the 3 kinds of rum, but am not sure where to stick it.

Here, for your edification, are the relative strengths:

swill - 40 proof
grog - 60 proof
fine rum - 100 proof

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Also, will the "mouse-over a shipdeed to see where the ship is located" feature be implemented? It wasn't clear if that one made "The List" or not.


The vessel report will be in the next release.
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Uh oh.

Surely Peghead is aware that pure alcohol is 200 proof, and that therefore a difference of 20 proof = a ten percent difference in alcohol content?

I am trying to figure out how that differs exactly from if peghead meant to say 'percent' rather than 'proof' but my math skills are far to atrophied. Someone help please...

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<edit, brain hurting> Ok lets say a keg of fine rum has X motivation factor in it. IF peghead really meant 'proof', then a keg of grog has (X-.2) motivation factor, and swill has (X-.3) motivation factor. Whereas, if he meant 'percent', then a keg of grog has (X-.4) motivation factor and a keg of swill has (X-.6) motivation factor in it.

I think.
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No, wait, I'm wrong... if all of the rum is half as strong, you've devided all by the same amount and their ratios remain the same.

Right? So it doesn't matter?

argh

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Leperflesh wrote: 
No, wait, I'm wrong... if all of the rum is half as strong, you've devided all by the same amount and their ratios remain the same.

Right? So it doesn't matter?

argh

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5 Swill is worth 2 Rum.
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Arr, thankee Kraken. I need te drink less Swill and more Fine Rum, te fix me dain bramage.

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5 Grog is worth 3 Rum.
5 Swill is worth 2 Rum.
3 Swill is worth 2 Grog.


This is exactly right.
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15 units of swill == 10 units of grog == 6 units of fine rum

You heard it here first!
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I can already figure out how much time it takes to sail any given route, (this is one reason why I made my PP map) and now all I need is to know the rum/time factor and I'm set.... :)
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