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Had to sit on this table for only 1hr to get 2 people to join, but #MakeCeruleanGreatAgain one poker table at a time

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Ok this just became a 200 poe AOF, dont worry cerulean we'll become a 200k aof soon enough, we'll show those emerald nubs
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For anyone wondering what "aof" (All in or Fold) is: https://yppedia.puzzlepirates.com/Poker#All_in_or_fold_.28AoF.29

AKA not really playing poker but rather playing the lottery via Texas Hold'em.
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AKA not really playing poker but rather playing the lottery via Texas Hold'em.


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Cos playing poker is going to make Cerulean great again how?
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Pirates carousing means pillaging, SMH, flotilla, and blockading to fund carousing.

We should make Emerald fund the wall that needs to be built to separate doubloon and subscription oceans.
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I already made Cerulean great again :( Why can't it ever stay great damn it?
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We should make Emerald fund the wall that needs to be built to separate doubloon and subscription oceans.
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For anyone wondering what "aof" (All in or Fold) is: https://yppedia.puzzlepirates.com/Poker#All_in_or_fold_.28AoF.29

AKA not really playing poker but rather playing the lottery via Texas Hold'em.

It's probably the least enjoyable form of poker but it's still poker. In fact it's just reduced to simple wrong or right decision making. If you're consistently making the right decisions and have enough poe to back you up then you'll win.
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WE ARE UPTO 4 PEOPLE NOW

Ok this just became a 200 poe AOF, dont worry cerulean we'll become a 200k aof soon enough, we'll show those emerald nubs


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It's probably the least enjoyable form of poker but it's still poker. In fact it's just reduced to simple wrong or right decision making. If you're consistently making the right decisions and have enough poe to back you up then you'll win.

I stand by what I said.
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Why people bother to play poker on pp and not some poker dedicated site such as pokerstars.net is beyond me. One, you can play in 3 or 4 tournaments at a time with 100s of people and always get into games. So you can see 100's of hands in a typical hour of playing. Two, the skill level of players you're up against is infinitely higher than anyone playing the bingo thinly disguised as poker on pp. Three, one would not be considered 'just a poker nab' and secretly mocked.
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It's still your standard Texas Hold'Em Poker so it'll always be a game of skill. I know many people who believe that you can't apply the same kind of skill to PP-poker as in a real cash game or professional tournament. It's simply not true.
Sure, the game is a lot more volatile and your poe will fluctuate a lot more in the short term. But if you apply the same rules then you'll still come out winning.

To answer your question Jimmy: If people understood the above and got better then I probably wouldn't bother playing. As for now it's fastest and easiest way to make poe. Except for Cerulean since there just aren't enough players here.
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Ok this just became a 200 poe AOF, dont worry cerulean we'll become a 200k aof soon enough, we'll show those emerald nubs


no thanks


I don't get the poker hate. Don't play myself but what did poker players do to piss everone off?
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Some of the old guard, myself included, believe it killed puzzle pirates by making pillaging obsolete as THE poe maker. Why grind for hours when you can earn a wheelbarrow full of eights for a few hours of poker? Later releases have tried to bring back ship outings with SMHs special stuff, trinkets etc. But its never been the same.
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I should clarify that poker as a side thing is ok, shoot i'll even play small stakes while waiting for a flot or HS to load for fun. But there are folks that only play poker exclusively, and only exclusively on pp. Ive seen people lose their minds over a bad beat, or doing something stupid by chasing impossible hand and betting like damn fools. Some take it way too seriously.

Just saying, meh I play the poker on pokerstars when I get the hankering for it, though its not often.
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a conversation I had yesterday, with the foraging bits edited out

[12:47:45] XXXX tells ye, "hi"
[12:48:02] XXXX tells ye, "is there an inn where everyone goes?"
[12:48:06] XXXX tells ye, "on an island"


[12:48:37] Ye told XXXX, "not really"
[12:48:51] XXXX tells ye, "so whats the point in this ocean?"

[12:49:41] Ye told XXXX, "pillaging, kraken, CI, sometimes cit runs"

[12:50:17] XXXX tells ye, "how many people are usually on this ocean?"
[12:50:25] XXXX tells ye, "busiet time"

[12:51:35] Could not tell XXXX: {1} "Could not tell XXXX: That user is not online."

I'd rather run the sapphires on Jubilee (up to 9 now) than spend half an hour in the dub ocean inn where that kid usually goes. But I would like to add the possibility that some of us play the game for fun and what we enjoy is more important than whether it is the fastest way to get rich (not that I am unhappy with increased payouts for pillages and CI). What attracts me the most is there is still a variety of things to choose from depending on what appeals to me as well as how much time I have to play right then.
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Well, to be fair, you did take over a minute to reply. Young pups have things to do, c'mon now. ;)

But in all honesty, I don't see anything wrong with what transpired or why that conversation would drive someone to not want to play with whomever the inquisitive pirate was.
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Ahoy all,

Well as some of ye may have seen ive been diddling around cerulean the past few days and mostly hosting KH or pillies, only once has my hand touched a poker table, this was a fixed limit 2 - 20 poe table....

Ive said it before and I ll say it again - Puzzle Pirates is not a game about poker, as mentioned earlier in the post - if you wanna play poker, join a proper poker site or go to a casino...i.e: where it lives.

If you want to reaise the spirit of an ocean, get out there and pillage - instead of just chatting mindlessly to a new player, maybe invite them on a pillage or to a few battles of swordfighting? Help them get into the game and get the soul of the game back. Poker, if i was to play it on a regular basis I usually use to pass the time, it requires no skill, it is a game of mainly complete chance/luck whereas aye it may take a while to load a pilly or something like that, but it gets everyone busy, its a team effort

The only reason Cerulean is dieing is because we let it die, poker addicts are poker addicts you win money to lose it later down the line. I have always stated its the introduction of this that kills off the ocean even more than SMH/CI/KH it makes the money gain way too easy the max in poker - you have a 1 in 10 chance of winning. Whereas with pillaging, the stakes can vary depending on your skill at bnav, yer skill at managing yer crew and yer crews skill at their duties.

Yes, its time consuming, im aware of that - heck ive waited 4 hours to fully load a sloop a while ago but loved the pillage.

"But a pilly doesnt gain as much PoE as poker"

Thats the whole point! Yer a pirate! Work for it! Dont sit on yer booty clicking All in......
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Someone doesn't understand how poker works here.
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I know exactly how poker works
 
you have a 1 in 10 chance of winning.
 
it requires no skill, it is a game of mainly complete chance/luck


This is simply false. Unfortunately it's this kind of logic that causes people to lose a lot of PoE in poker.
It's a cruel game for those who don't understand that it's not just a game of luck. And I think the game does a poor job of warning people about that.
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Most of a 1 in 10 chance..... Poker tables hold 10 people with a minimum of 1 person winning

I did say Mainly luck.... As you can't control the cards from the deck... Yes there is some strategy to the game but very little
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Prefer to play it at the casino anyway as there is more engagement in the game then just tapping a button to watch other players constantly try bluff you with constant all inside. My statement still stands however this is a pirate game - not poker
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I did say Mainly luck.... As you can't control the cards from the deck... Yes there is some strategy to the game but very little

It's actually mainly skill: http://theconversation.com/hard-evidence-is-poker-a-game-of-chance-or-skill-39224

 
this is a pirate game - not poker

Carousing puzzles, including poker, have always been part of the game. I think it's important to point out that wagering would not be possible without PoE fountains (such as pillaging or atlantis).
No one exclusively plays the game just for poker or any other carousing puzzle. Nor do I know of anyone who only plays for the pillages.
There are many different facets to the game that make it enjoyable and anyone can choose how they want to play it.
If it was up to me I'd make everyone blockade more since that's what I enjoy doing most. Not everyone enjoys blockades though. It's just the nature of the game.
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Most of a 1 in 10 chance..... Poker tables hold 10 people with a minimum of 1 person winning

I did say Mainly luck.... As you can't control the cards from the deck... Yes there is some strategy to the game but very little

Then you don't know how to play poker. You may know the rules but you don't have any kind of understanding about the game beyond that. Yes, the cards you are dealt and what shows up on the table, that is luck. How you play your hand is not luck.
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Your article also states: In other words, poker becomes a game of skill after around 1,500 hands

But in any case poker isn't the answer as it is limited to subscribers majority of the week and most methods of regaining money also require a subscription.
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The luck aspect is only the first part, skill comes after. I have learned to watch for tells, people always play with some consistency. After awhile you can tell when they have a monster hand, whether theyre hiding something with a ill timed check, and when they are most likely bluffing or chasing a hand.

You can play that knowledge to your benefit, but of course some times youre right, sometimes youre wrong.

If I flop a four of a kind, thats the luck, ill let others think they have the strong hand and bet or check accordingly to bring up the value of the pot, the skill.

If luck brings me good cards that never become a hand and i get to the river and bluff, but also can sow some seeds of doubt that i may have something stronger than my opponent and force a fold. Thats skill.

However the caveat is that ultimately we are playing with electronic monopoly money. Pp poker is not anything like dedicated online poker or real money poker, pp poker players will often call no matter what, pp poker players have no concept of calculating pot odds, how to determine the number of outs, or that a small pocket pair is essentially a weak loser post flop with 5 other people in the hand if they dont hit a three of a kind.

Typically I will only 'play' about 1 in every 10-12 hands, which is about the average time between getting a decent starting pair. Or, maybe just call a small or big blind with crap cards just to see an extra 3 now and then. But most Pp folks play every hand, just watch some time, example, Ive seen people go all in with Jack/5 offsuit pre flop on PP. What are they hoping for? Best hand could be a FH? Maybe they get 2 pair at best, but with odds of that happening at something like 22 to 1 (or even worse with more players in the game) its not statistically likely to happen.

Im by no means a poker master, in fact i have realized by playing for several years online that I shouldnt quit my day job, AND that i actually dont like gambling! Lol. I have found that poker site players to be more correct, if you want to call it that, and so the skill level is higher, if someone was looking to elevate beyond the luck part of the game and work on their own skill at playing, then the dedicated poker site is the way to go. If you're just looking to make easy PoE off the people that dont know how to play, or people that play loose because the PoE lost really has no value to them, then its a matter personal preference I guess. I find it pretty easy to play and win consistently on pp because people dont know what they are doing past getting 2 cards, and then waiting to see what comes next, but PoE is not my focus in game so not going to spend a lot of time doing that.

Another analogy would be : I could beat the hell out my grandkids at Scrabble if I wanted to, but why?
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Your article also states: In other words, poker becomes a game of skill after around 1,500 hands


The article is based on a study* which says that skilled players will beat lower-ranked players 75% of the time after 1,471 hands. They say this is the critical point at which skill dominates luck.
When you look at the graph you can see, as expected, that with a low amount of hands that number is around 50% where luck predominates.
It just means that skill becomes increasingly more important with the amount of hands you play. It doesn't mean you have to play 1500 hands for skill to even matter.

You also have to consider the difference in skill between the skilled player and the unskilled player.
The study is based on players from online cash games where the skill difference is much lower than on PP.

Jimmy, I thought you gave a good example of how this skill gap relates to PP:

 
I find it pretty easy to play and win consistently on pp because people dont know what they are doing past getting 2 cards, and then waiting to see what comes next, but PoE is not my focus in game so not going to spend a lot of time doing that.

 
Im by no means a poker master, in fact i have realized by playing for several years online that I shouldnt quit my day job, AND that i actually dont like gambling!


So Jimmy says he isn't an absolute expert at poker but he evidently understands the very basics of applying some skill (e.g. folding bad hands pre-flop, reading other players and not letting himself be read). This just goes to show how large the skill gap is in PP and how easy it is to win consistently even by knowing just a few basic tricks.

 
Another analogy would be : I could beat the hell out my grandkids at Scrabble if I wanted to, but why?

Jimmy, I understand your point that PP poker isn't the most challenging environment to play in. For me it's just the easiest way to raise poe for blockades, which is what I enjoy doing most.
Whether or not a game like poker belongs in PP is debatable. As I said in my previous post: it's a real shame that poker was introduced without any tutorials or warnings about the skill aspects involved.

*study source: http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0115479
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