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No reason to change anything, the outcomes of a 9999 blockade are already so massive.
I can't find any good reason to raise the pay caps but the exception of having higher poker tables (200k-2m), because even at 200k tables, it takes a fortune of your time, effort, and poe to finance them, not to mention the amount of pressure on the blockade staff.
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Cap the max-pay to the amount of players logged in the game, times X? IMO, X=3.

So if only 500 players are online, max pay per segment is 1.5k.

If 1000 players are online, max pay is 3k.

If 2000 players are online, max pay is 6k.

And so on...


i dont like this idea -- the sub oceans would only get 1.5k! :(
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Cap the max-pay to the amount of players logged in the game, times X? IMO, X=3.

So if only 500 players are online, max pay per segment is 1.5k.

If 1000 players are online, max pay is 3k.

If 2000 players are online, max pay is 6k.

And so on...


i dont like this idea -- the sub oceans would only get 1.5k! :(

Nah, we'd just all run 4 or 5 clients at once. Especially since it's based on number of players online rather than numbers actually actively jobbing in the blockade.
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Cap the max-pay to the amount of players logged in the game, times X? IMO, X=3.

So if only 500 players are online, max pay per segment is 1.5k.

If 1000 players are online, max pay is 3k.

If 2000 players are online, max pay is 6k.

And so on...


It'd make more sense in my mind to allow higher pay with a lower amount of people online.
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But then, if they can afford it, why not pay it? At the end is their PoE. We've seen two (three?) blockades hit 9999 during three different weekends. Pay-capping the blockades is not a good idea because different flags use different tactics to win and if a flag is not wealthy enough to blockade a large island, then, why would they?

Then again, if a flag believes an island is worth 15k/segment, why not lettem???


This effectively turns blockading into fundraising. You do not need to have good navers, a good staff, a good anything but poker players to outpay the other flag.
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But then, if they can afford it, why not pay it? At the end is their PoE. We've seen two (three?) blockades hit 9999 during three different weekends. Pay-capping the blockades is not a good idea because different flags use different tactics to win and if a flag is not wealthy enough to blockade a large island, then, why would they?

Then again, if a flag believes an island is worth 15k/segment, why not lettem???


This effectively turns blockading into fundraising. You do not need to have good navers, a good staff, a good anything but poker players to outpay the other flag.


And if you have a poker player equal to the poker player in the other flag, they you do need good navs/staff.
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But then, if they can afford it, why not pay it? At the end is their PoE. We've seen two (three?) blockades hit 9999 during three different weekends. Pay-capping the blockades is not a good idea because different flags use different tactics to win and if a flag is not wealthy enough to blockade a large island, then, why would they?

Then again, if a flag believes an island is worth 15k/segment, why not lettem???


This effectively turns blockading into fundraising. You do not need to have good navers, a good staff, a good anything but poker players to outpay the other flag.


And if you have a poker player equal to the poker player in the other flag, they you do need good navs/staff.


Rare.
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But then, if they can afford it, why not pay it? At the end is their PoE. We've seen two (three?) blockades hit 9999 during three different weekends. Pay-capping the blockades is not a good idea because different flags use different tactics to win and if a flag is not wealthy enough to blockade a large island, then, why would they?

Then again, if a flag believes an island is worth 15k/segment, why not lettem???


This effectively turns blockading into fundraising. You do not need to have good navers, a good staff, a good anything but poker players to outpay the other flag.


And if you have a poker player equal to the poker player in the other flag, they you do need good navs/staff.


Rare.


Yeah. The vast majority of PoE on the ocean is held by nonpolitical people. Since blockading is the only big redistribution method, this PoE gets lost and causes inflation, but that's another story.

There are very few politically active hardcore poker players. Of the politically active, there are varying degrees of commitment. What this leaves is one or two players per ocean that can literally /autowin any island they want to, given enough time.

The current pay mechanic has created a system in which every blockading flag has to go into the blockade with planned scenario that they can be pay'd out within one round - this creates prearranged friendly blockades to avoid this scenario. These blockades can be entertaining/rewarding but aren't really competitive on the high end. However, this mechanic also ensures that the ocean must accept that a politically active, invested pokerstar WILL hold the most valuable islands, if he chooses to. Once the decision is made, dislodging said player requires a multi week, multilateral attrition campaign, which is inherently not fun for any party involved.
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But then, if they can afford it, why not pay it? At the end is their PoE. We've seen two (three?) blockades hit 9999 during three different weekends. Pay-capping the blockades is not a good idea because different flags use different tactics to win and if a flag is not wealthy enough to blockade a large island, then, why would they?

Then again, if a flag believes an island is worth 15k/segment, why not lettem???


This effectively turns blockading into fundraising. You do not need to have good navers, a good staff, a good anything but poker players to outpay the other flag.


And if you have a poker player equal to the poker player in the other flag, they you do need good navs/staff.


Rare.


Yeah. The vast majority of PoE on the ocean is held by nonpolitical people. Since blockading is the only big redistribution method, this PoE gets lost and causes inflation, but that's another story.

There are very few politically active hardcore poker players. Of the politically active, there are varying degrees of commitment. What this leaves is one or two players per ocean that can literally /autowin any island they want to, given enough time.

The current pay mechanic has created a system in which every blockading flag has to go into the blockade with planned scenario that they can be pay'd out within one round - this creates prearranged friendly blockades to avoid this scenario. These blockades can be entertaining/rewarding but aren't really competitive on the high end. However, this mechanic also ensures that the ocean must accept that a politically active, invested pokerstar WILL hold the most valuable islands, if he chooses to. Once the decision is made, dislodging said player requires a multi week, multilateral attrition campaign, which is inherently not fun for any party involved.


tl;dr

LEARN HOW TO POKER NOT HOW TO NAV! LULZ
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Contrary to popular belief, it is still possible to generate a constant and significant income from island ownership. Some flags even manage to defend their islands from attackers funded by poker using said island income along with shoppe and pillage income.

Poker is just one source of large scale income, there are others. A successful flag would be foolish to rely on the income generated by a single player anyway, far better it be built on the combined efforts of a group so you have some resilience and continuity.
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take cap off cade pay- Let free market capitalism rule with pay relative to the potential gain of island ownership!

take out the cancer that is poker and is killing the game (yeah, yeah, I know- without Poker the population would decrease further, blah, blah)

get people back on the oceans, have FUN and get rich the way the game originally intended.
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take cap off cade pay- Let free market capitalism rule with pay relative to the potential gain of island ownership!

take out the cancer that is poker and is killing the game (yeah, yeah, I know- without Poker the population would decrease further, blah, blah)

get people back on the oceans, have FUN and get rich the way the game originally intended.


Taking out poker almost solves your first problem. Still to keep the game as even in the pay field as possible a cap is needed.

Would you be angry if we did this "free market capitalism" and the market dictated that jobbers are only worth 500 a seg? Personally I do not think jobbers are worth paying more than 2k a seg. Especially when half are on five alts.

Free Market Capitalism sucks anyways, it doesn't even work on MMOs.
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Would you be angry if we did this "free market capitalism" and the market dictated that jobbers are only worth 500 a seg?


Absolutely- it does that now. And if it doesn't attract enough quality jobbers, it gets raised until enough participate- that how free market works.

I typically join for 3k and up
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Given that a cap can be circumvented, and that 50k/round is ridiculous as it is (really, that buys you a war brig on Cerulean), I'm with the camp that says it doesn't need to be changed.
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Given that a cap can be circumvented, and that 50k/round is ridiculous as it is (really, that buys you a war brig on Cerulean), I'm with the camp that says it doesn't need to be changed.


Circumventing a cap would indeed be trivial- you could easily distribute bonus pay using the same methods we all used to handle blockade pay for years (manual pay, port and divvy, etc).

That's a shame, of course, because I don't believe that godlike PoE reserves should be license for a flag to do anything they want. Then, the counter for unlimited jobber pay goes back to good, old fashioned... And hard... politicking.
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Would you be angry if we did this "free market capitalism" and the market dictated that jobbers are only worth 500 a seg?


Absolutely- it does that now. And if it doesn't attract enough quality jobbers, it gets raised until enough participate- that how free market works.

I typically join for 3k and up


Edit: I will be nicer and say the market already dictates how much a flag is willing to pay to take a island or to blockade for fun. Generally fun blockading is lower pay because the actual flag paying for the blockade would like to be able to blockade more than once. The flags that just want the island tend to pay a lot more.
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I would job with Hitler for 9999 Poe a seg. Who does this? Hearty me :p
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I would job with Hitler for 9999 Poe a seg. Who does this? Hearty me :p

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