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Uni's Bilge Tutorial.

1) Start the puzzle with a good move *
2) Get combo's
3) Limit yer moves to get combo's
4) Clear the Crabs

5) When ye can't manage to do 1-4 well, stop the puzzle
and don't start it till after the next nav point.
(this resets the pump)
Step 5 if for those who make too many BAD moves, and yer pump is Booched.

*a note about step 1, those who want to get on the top
10 list need to pay attention to step 1, or ye canna get
an incredible the first league.(good means combo, or chain reaction)*

Info about combo's
(how many moves a combo will keep yer pump at the same spot)
Ye of course want todo these in LESS than this.

3x3 - worth 3 moves
3x4 - worth 4 moves
3x5 - worth 4 moves
3x3x3 - worth 7 moves (Bingo)
3x3x5 - worth 9 moves (Bingo)
3x3x3xA - worth 11 moves *aprox (Sea Donkey)
3x3x4xA - worth 12 moves *aprox (Sea Donkey)
3x3x5xA - worth 14 moves *aprox (Sea Donkey)

Bonuses
1 crab - worth 1-2 move
2 crabs - worth 2-3 moves
Crabs vary on water level of boat...the more water the more
the crabs are worth.

Neutral's
Blowfish
Squid

Penaltie's
Idleness
10 sec's = 1 move


Ok now on to the set up of Bingo's
(the prefered method for getting Incredibles)

Look for a row with 3 of a kind.
Then see if that same piece is vertically in 2 adjacent rows.
This be the building block of all combo's.
Once ye have this, ye can get Bingo's and Up.




Here be some shots of combo's


















-Uni
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nice

and fyi, ye have a few of the same ones up twice
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actually there are no repeats in there... (look closely)
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Um... in the last one (and the several before it) - in the top right, there's a line of 3 that isn't disappeared!
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Dude, don't hate, she was just pasting some combos together, trying to help you out. Mannnn.
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Aye I had some shots from in game of all the combo's but
this way seemed easier, since I would have had to redo all
of my screenshot so I did not get censored again.

-uni
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Morg's right, you do have 2 that are the same.

The 3x3x3.jpg and 3x3x3x3.jpg are the same combos in the pictures. They're both pictured as 3x3x3x3
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Thanks Lallaria, all fixed now :D
and the 3x4 and 3x5 that were not showing up... are up.
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you might wanna thank morg as well. He is the one who pointed it out. (sheesh, get it straight uni).
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Well, he said a few :D and it was only just one.

Har har
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You can vegas in Bilge? heh... uh... learn somethin new everyday, great pics Uni, and i like the move-value ratios. the 10 sec idle penalty, is that between clears, or just in between moves?
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I have yet to get a vegas in bilge but than again i don't bilge much; bilging is for the little cabin boys!

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Your last one is mistagged....3x5x5x3, not 3x5x4x3

No 4x5?

Great work, though (and...bookmarked).
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Three moves for a 3x3 will lower your score a bit from what I've seen, although it won't hurt too much and it's a good way to move a lot of pieces if there's nothing else left to do.
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My experience seems to say that 3x3x3s are worth 9 clicks, and each crab is +2 moves. But obviously the bread and butter moves should be 3x3s in 2 clicks and 3x3x3s in 7 or fewer clicks.
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Ill have to check into that Tedv, as it seems a few of the values have been tweeked slightly. (crab's are a bit harder to quantify, as it depends on the water level) For instance a crap filled on full bilge, is worth something like 8 moves (blue pump to sparkely).
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i've never gotten a vegas either. but you dont need to get huge combos all the time just to do good. i mean, i have only ever gotten a sea donkey twice. and i was sitting at 2nd in the ocean for a while.

its mostly about speed, dont make bad moves ever :P
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Do ye know how many moves a 4x4 or 5x5 type clears would earn ye? The same as all the other moves less than a bingo, or do these larger clears add a few more clicks to the clock?

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I've not checked, but I think a 4x4 would probably be worht about 5, and a 5x5 worth six.
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This guide really helped me uni :D. I just got legendary in bilge- my first legendary now to get it past solid :'(.


Thanks a heap :)
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very nice guide uni, it helped me alot...easier to see the pictures than visualize it in your head

one thing though,,,,the 3x3x3 is a bingo
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How many moves are just 3,4, and 5 blocks worth?
Are they 1,2,3 moves respectively?

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The simple answer: It doesn't really work like that.

The better answer: Puzzle scoring is (apparently) a two part process. First, you get a raw score based on efficiency. So, if one move clears 3 balls, that's 300%. If two moves clear 3 each, that's 300%, 300%. If a series of moves clear 0, 3, 0, 3, 0, 3, then the score is 0%, 150%, 100%, 150%, 120%, 150%. Failing to make a move in 10 seconds counts as a move of zero. As far as I know, single rows score 3, 4, or 5, while 3x3's and above score more; chains (I'm guessing) score half, I don't know about multiple chains, and crabs I don't have a guess yet.

Secondly, how that percentage turns into the INDICATOR (the indicator is NOT your score) appears to be a percentile function. If your score percentage is in the top 5 percentile, you get the glowing sparkle. Or whatever the numbers are. Examples to back this up? Compare azure, during the testing, when for 90 days the scores were nothing. People putting down a single piece in carp -- 5 blocks down, 5 blocks scored -- 100% efficiency -- were getting sparkles. Over on the german server sparkles were much easier to get than here.

So the question "How many moves is a given score worth" depends. As more people do better, it will be worth less.

My experience: There used to be a time when a single 3 clear every swap would be a yellow pump; now it is a light blue pump. To get yellow, you have to get 4's and 5's, chains, 3x3's, or something else to get a higher percentage.

Now, a big unknown question: Does your ability to repair the ship/bilge the water/etc depend on your indicator (percentile ranking) or your efficiency score? This I have no clue on.
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Is it worth is two move two peices to get a 4? Or is it better to just move one and get a 3? I've looked at my pump and I don't seem to see that much of a difference, but I want to check with the experts to make sure :-)
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From my bilgin' experiences, it's really tough to look at single moves or "should I do this...or should i do that" choices for every situation. On an individual basis, it's probably not going to help a bunch to make 2 moves to clear a 4 rather than a single move for a 3. But if those 2 moves for a 4 set you up for a 3x3 or could lead into a bingo...well...that's a different story.

I think you can fall into a trap in bilging where you end up making way too many moves. If you find yourself in a sequence where you need 2 moves to clear 3s...and you do that several times in a row, you're score is going to drop fast. You also can see the opposite, where everything clears nicely every move and your can climb quickly.

I try to set myself up for bingos as much as possible. They're easier than you think once you get the hang of it, and I've no problem making 3 moves to clean a single 3 if it moves up the piece I need to bingo immediately after it. The large clears boost your performance significantly more than choosing between a 3 or a 4 clear.

This is also why its strongly advocated to start on a board with a big move as your first move. Don't settle for less than a 3x3 to get started. And if you can bingo within 2 moves...grab it.

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I always thought of this as the basic stuff...not now!
I think this will come in handy a lot when I start Bilging again.(I Bilge again once Sublime, Ultimate in Sails)

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Odd tidbit,

It seems that a 3x3x3x5 (not pictured) is also a Vegas.
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Technically, this isn't much of a tutorial. It's more of a list of diagrams...

Does anyone go around using extra moves for shifting horizontal 3's in specific places to move up other pieces to get ready for a combo? Do people who get good ratings depend on playing higher in the puzzle to increase their chances of lower-down bonuses? Are jellyfish better used on spread out pieces that are harder to connect, or more plentiful pieces that will temporarily reduce the variety on the board? (I know, that last one is more up for debate, or something)

Bilge is currently the thorn in my side, as I've tried all sorts of things in an effort to do better, and yet the best indicator I have (the pump) doesn't really seem to reflect my effort one way or the other. (I'm no slouch... recently I've been able to get all sorts of things up to legendary, even if I often throw them away to keep my ship running smooth despite my green crew.) And please don't assume I'm missing #x#x# combos, or something.

I have never seen a sparkling pump. It's been golden once or twice, (since feb,) orange-ish maybe three times during my recent efforts the past two weeks, and usually somewhere between blue and light blue. Is it just that sluggish? should I /bug it the next time I'm getting excellents for multiple reports in a row when my pump is barely light blue? Does it take over three bingos in an average-speed league to get more than an orange pump?

What is going on here? Sorry about the rant, but I keep suspecting that bilge is more about the random piece generation than any amount of my effort. Any input is appreciated.
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tyroney wrote: 
Technically, this isn't much of a tutorial. It's more of a list of diagrams...

Sorry Uni, but he's kinda right here.

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What is going on here? Sorry about the rant, but I keep suspecting that bilge is more about the random piece generation than any amount of my effort. Any input is appreciated.

The thing is (and I only figured it out this afternoon) that Bilge Pumping doesn't reward you for working fast, it rewards you for working smart. Take the time to get the pieces in the right places and the Incredibles just fall into place.
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The thing is (and I only figured it out this afternoon) that Bilge Pumping doesn't reward you for working fast, it rewards you for working smart. Take the time to get the pieces in the right places and the Incredibles just fall into place.


Hmm... I guess I'll again try a more careful and though out approach for this next week. Though between "taking the time" and "get the pieces in the right places" what you suggest sounds like doing two things that should count against you. (taking longer, and using more moves) Perhaps getting used to quickly doing something (as yet undetermined by myself) that will end in more favorable arrangements is what you meant.

Though when you referred to right places, you didn't say if those places were for instant donkeys, or 8-swap bingos, or lucky 5 extra bonuses after your initial swap/remove...

So I'll be trying to create situations of bingos and such, and see if the time and less removing moves are worth the effort. And of course I'll be sure to whine if I'm still having issues.
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