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Re: Ultimate Intent for Admiral

I think everybody needs to wait and give the blockades a chance before jumping to conclusions. As for conclusions, here are some I've heard already:
  • Wazzy is going to get banned, because dropping on 9 islands is going to cause islands to be forfeited and thereby make Wazzy a "griefer." (Yes, just Wazzy. The rest of you are safe.)
  • The rounds are going to go 0-27.
  • Nobody is going to enjoy this weekend.
  • This is going to ruin blockades for the rest of eternity.
  • This will ruin the flag's image and turn the major alliance rings against them.

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Re: Ultimate Intent for Admiral

 
Good luck contesting nine rounds out of twenty seven to avoid the bans before Admiral starts.

p.s. pave ADM and you have my vote.


"contesting" is a rather loose term for what needs to be done.
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Re: Ultimate Intent for Admiral

 
This is going to ruin blockades for the rest of eternity.


Slight bit over the top, maybe heading on the right lines though.

I would maybe say that it will ruin the flags image and just about turn the major alliance rings against them.
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Re: Ultimate Intent for Admiral

 
4k a seg as starting pay is the most pathetic thing I have ever seen. I don't care who it is against.

Having 4k a segment...lame. Having Boi make your intent...even more lame.



lyrick is funny...2nd if hes gonna contend with LOL he needs 4k a seg....lol good luck
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Re: Ultimate Intent for Admiral

Wow, good job at blowing my posts out of proportion, Goats! I'm pretty sure I wasn't saying "OMG, BLOCKADES ARE COMING TO AN END!!!" I admit, my post could have been a bit excessive, but I was doing that to show my disapproval of the very large multi-drops. 3-4 islands? That's not terrible. But nine? C'mon. Nine? Completely unnecesary.

Anyways, here's why I think this weekend won't be absolutely amazing (Though it may have a few good blockade rounds in it, as I have already noted) all-around.

To me, a "good" blockade is a hotly contested one. By that, I mean, say both sides field at least 80-100 jobbers total but not really more than 350-400 (Though it's still doable if it's close). Also, both sides are fairly even in their jobbing. As in, not by more than a WB or two. Also, it's nice to have all the rounds (At least the first three, more is better) contested like I just mentioned.

But with 9 blockades, those conditions probably won't be met. Most I've ever seen jobbing for one side in a blockade was ~600 (Anyone reach 700)? If they happen to get those numbers, hell, let's give them 700, then they could contest at all 9 islands with slightly under 80 jobbers each, and it'd be a pretty fun weekend if they could pull it off. If they do this, I would admit I'm wrong, retract all "negative" statements I've outlined in this thread, and give credit where credit is due.

However, to me, it seems more likely that they're going to follow what Good Grief did and hop from island to island. While not completely terrible at the islands that get the action, it means there's going to be a lot of flag sitting going on. And I'm not a huge fan of unnecessary flag-sitting. In fact, I'm against it. If a flag pulls out of a blockade early due to financial reasons or not being able to win anymore, I can agree to that. But anymore than that and meh.

Anyways, we'll see -- even though it sounds like I'm saying Chuck Norris can't pull it off (Whatever "it" is), I'm not saying it's completely out of the question. I'd just hate to see this happen over and over.

EDIT: Whoa, typed up the wrong flag name. My bad.
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Re: Ultimate Intent for Admiral

 
Wow, good job at blowing my posts out of proportion, Goats!

Sorry bud, things aren't always about you.
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Re: Ultimate Intent for Admiral

Err, sorry. Only myself, Phil (Who just agreed), Okcorral and Zoel replied before you, and neither of them really touched on any points you mentioned (Other than myself), so I just naturally assumed you were responding to me.

My mistake there. I still stand by my points, though. Just read "my posts" as "the views shared by some people on the ocean, including myself" and problem solved. :P Though, I don't speak for other people which is why I was just talking about my posts. Ah, well...
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Re: Ultimate Intent for Admiral

As much as i would agree with goats... i am quite interested to see what he has up his sleeve.... after all.. it is breaking the barrier for most kades in a weekend...

not to say undeclared has broken many barriers that the OMs have questioned... it changed game mechanics...

showing to all these kades will be interesting.. notice the timing he has on it... might be strategy?

either way.. someone drops a chest.. im interested... the end..

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Re: Ultimate Intent for Admiral

This is so pathettic, What yer basically doing is splashin yer money about to get what u want, Rumors are too... that BTV (flag originally from hunter) are helping out too (with the money me guessin).

Anyway its just wrong and yer gonna ruin it.

I know which side im on no matter how much poe is thrown in per seg
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Re: Ultimate Intent for Admiral

Hmm, I'm too lazy to edit my previous posts as I'd have to reword some of what I said, but I must have misinterpreted what my source told me when I first heard about the blockades. I thought all drops happened at the same time but since they are, in fact, spread out a little, I'm lessening my "disapproval" of it, though I still disapprove initially on the mass amount of drops. Just figured I'd get that out there now. I'm slightly more optimistic that it will be "OK", but I won't be around to see it (And don't want to watch 9 blockades worth of videos), so I expect a detailed report. :P
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Re: Ultimate Intent for Admiral

 
I'm lessening my "disapproval" of it, though I still disapprove initially on the mass amount of drops. Just figured I'd get that out there now. I'm slightly more optimistic that it will be "OK", but I won't be around to see it (And don't want to watch 9 blockades worth of videos), so I expect a detailed report. :P


Oh good, parley can all sleep easier now. ;-)

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Re: Ultimate Intent for Admiral

Aww, do people really not discuss anything on Parley anymore?

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Re: Ultimate Intent for Admiral

You do realise they havn't even dropped the war chest yet? And there blockading like 7 Islands <_<
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Re: Ultimate Intent for Admiral

 
You do realise they havn't even dropped the war chest yet? And there blockading like 7 Islands <_<



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Re: Ultimate Intent for Admiral

The blockade may not be this weekend, may not even next, they're just saying that they will blockade Admiral at some point (the ultimate time) and when that time comes, they will pay 4k per seg.

The fact that they dropped however many chests this weekend has nothing to do with this intent post.
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Re: Ultimate Intent for Admiral

 

The fact that they dropped however many chests this weekend has nothing to do with this intent post.


I was clearing up too the guy that sed they had dropped 4 =]
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Re: Ultimate Intent for Admiral

 
The blockade may not be this weekend, may not even next, they're just saying that they will blockade Admiral at some point (the ultimate time) and when that time comes, they will pay 4k per seg.

The fact that they dropped however many chests this weekend has nothing to do with this intent post.


THEY aren't saying anything. Noone from Chuck Norris has even posted in this thread if I'm not mistaken ;)
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Re: Ultimate Intent for Admiral

 
 
The blockade may not be this weekend, may not even next, they're just saying that they will blockade Admiral at some point (the ultimate time) and when that time comes, they will pay 4k per seg.

The fact that they dropped however many chests this weekend has nothing to do with this intent post.


THEY aren't saying anything. Noone from Chuck Norris has even posted in this thread if I'm not mistaken ;)


Chuck Norris can't post in parley,Parley would explode from the awesomeness alone.
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Re: Ultimate Intent for Admiral

Chuck Norris Vs:

12:00 PA
12:06 LoL
12:56 Pirates Inc
1:45 Dirty Deeds
2:30 Tea and Strumpets
3:20 Spontaneous Combustion
4:30 EG
5:20 SoS
5:21 High Kingdom
5:22 Cocktail Party


So how many blockades, out of the 10, do they not have to show up to be considered griefing?
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Re: Ultimate Intent for Admiral

Just one.
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Re: Ultimate Intent for Admiral

Kay honestly, why the hell is everybody crying, "GRIEFING!!!!!!" already? Why hello there jumping the gun, nice to see you in Parley again! Give the damn flags a chance to contest before sending them to the gallows, please.


Honestly, if a flag cries, "YOU'RE GREIFING ME!!!!!!" because of a single blockade, it probably needs to be looking into buying a massive box of tissues rather than complaining.
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Re: Ultimate Intent for Admiral

Ynahteb wrote: 
Just one.


Beth, I'd love to see where you got that from. I tried searching everywhere on griefing and blockade griefing, and only found two main things.

ToS wrote: 
Harassment can be defined as repeated actions that target an individual or group for the purpose of bringing about feelings of discomfort or distress.


Located here .

And from the Captain himself:

Cleaver wrote: 
I don't think that attrition has much of a place in a fun, social online game...Attrition is pretty much by definition griefing, as it relies on wearing down...the enemy's will to fight.


However, no matter where I looked, I couldn't find a thing that showed that what Chuck Norris did was griefing.

Now, if they were to only contest a few and then CONTINUE these actions, I think that's griefing based on the ToS alone. As is though, I don't see Chuck Norris simply trying to wear down the opponents will to fight. In fact, each blockade is against a different flag. If anything, it seems like they're just hurting themselves in the long-run.
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Zyxt wrote: 
Beth, I'd love to see where you got that from. I tried searching everywhere on griefing and blockade griefing, and only found two main things.

If you drop a chest, you are required to contest that island. If you drop 10 chests, you are required to contest all ten islands. That's the bottom line, although the defender does have to /complain for the OMs to do something.

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As I asked Beth, where did you get that from?
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Vnork wrote: 
As I asked Beth, where did you get that from?

I've personally petitioned an OM before, and gotten that response. The OM was Hypnos I believe, who should be very familiar with the rules.

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Re: Ultimate Intent for Admiral

 
As I asked Beth, where did you get that from?


Woah patience mate, sorry I didn't reply right away amidst several blockades. I didn't really expect there to be any HWFO about my comment, I was under the impression that no showing any blockade was a bannable offense, probably under the spirit of the game clause.

No I don't have a concrete OM source to give you, but after some search I found this thread that gives some discussion from players, and mentions previous rulings on the matter. The yppedia page on Robertdonald also mentions a Ringer policy.

So yeah, no actual game documentation on the matter by any means, but if I led a flag that was dropped on and my opponent didn't field any ships, I would likely /complain, or at the very least petition, especially if the case was one where it seems like the flag was very aware that they will not be fully contesting when they dropped.

Edit to say: This post is just meant to argue the theory, yes I was skeptical about the intentions/abilities of Chuck Norris, but so far they do seem to be reasonably contesting all of the blockades I've seen today, with the help of BTV and other flags, although I've been on the jobber side and at least partially oblivious.
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Re: Ultimate Intent for Admiral

 
No I don't have a concrete OM source to give you, but after some search I found this thread that gives some discussion from players, and mentions previous rulings on the matter. The yppedia page on Robertdonald also mentions a Ringer policy.


You said Robertdonald...
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No worries Beth. Didn't mean to sound hostile. I've just been wondering about this for a while, and since I've yet to find anything, I was hoping you'd be able to show me where you got your information.

No HWFO. Honest. <3
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Ynahteb already cleared it up, I think, but it's just a "generally accepted rule of thumb" much like not posting chat logs on the forums. Neither of those had any previous ruling until situations arose in which the OMs had to make a decision. Anyways, yeah...

So how'd the blockades go? I'm about to check the scores, but that's nothing near the actual story most of the time.
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Re: Ultimate Intent for Admiral

(All times are approximate)


6:34-6:46 PM PST

Amity Island- Round 5 started 29 minutes ago.
LoL 2r 276pts
CN 2r 17pts

Basset Island- Round 4 started 41 minutes ago.
DD 1r 177pts
CN 2r 0pts

Ventress Island- Round 4 will start in 11 minutes.
TaS 2r 317pts
CN 1r 50pts

Kakraphoon Island- Round 2 started 27 minutes ago.
CN 1r 120pts
SoS 0r 0pts

Bowditch Island- Round 2 started 24 minutes ago.
BtB 1r 232pts
SoS 0r 65

Kiwara Island- Round 2 started 24 minutes ago.
CN 1r 189pts
HK 0r 42pts

Ashkelon Arch- Round 2 started 25 minutes ago.
CP 0r 321pts
CN 1r 26pts

Scrimshaw Island
CN 3r
Undeclared 2r
PA 0r

Kashgar Island
SC 3r
CN 0r

Gauntlet Island
GG 3r
CN 1r
Pirates Inc 0r
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