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Posted by GreatBob at Feb 16, 2013 3:03:48 PM
The ocean merge is ruining the game
No, seriously.

I first became aware of the problem when, about 7 years after the first time I did it, I wanted to use Napi Peak as my source for sugar cane. The island that spawned it so quickly back then seemed to have halted to a snail's pace, and I had to figure out why. Continued below, but now, the raw information:

While I don't have the data for Emerald or Meridian, the spawn point imbalance of the Cobalt/Midnight mashup is, in some cases, ludicrous. As I explained here, and also posted the overall distribution here, spawns are no longer balanced across the ocean as they used to be. Top islands for commods are now in some cases poor spawns due to islands from the other side having many more spawn points. I will spare the exact mechanics of spawn points as they are more thoroughly explained in the first of my linked posts.

I will, however, provide the raw numbers for all commodities across Cerulean. Those interested in the percent distribution between the two sides please see the second linked post above.

Sugar Cane:
Winter Solstice: 357
Olivia Isle: 239
Epsilon Island: 110
Gaea Island: 108
Islay of Luthien: 102
Cleopatra's Pearls: 98
Lagniappe Island: 90
Namath Island: 80
Kirin: 72
Byrne Island: 61
Napi Peak: 51
Labyrinth Moors: 50
Boyle Island: 49
Fintan: 45
Mermaid's Purse: 45
Tinga Island: 43
Delta Island: 38
Emperor Island: 38
Swampfen: 35
Beta Island: 31
Nu Island: 30
Durian Island: 27
Harmattan: 27
Uxmal Island: 25
Vernal Equinox: 23
Kuhio: 20
Xi Island: 17
Cochineal: 16
Sakejima: 16
Windward Vale: 15
Meke Island: 14
Sapling: 12
Raven's Roost: 10
Moab: 8
Nova: 8
Turongo Island: 8
Erh: 2

Hemp:
Eclipse Island: 135
Cranberry Island: 100
Midsummer: 93
Oyster Island: 85
Gaea Island: 73
Rhinoceros Ridge: 61
Jubilee: 60
Kirin: 57
Papaya Island: 55
Charcoal: 50
Epsilon Island: 49
Cabo de Hornos: 45
Frond Island: 44
Vernal Equinox: 44
Radix: 40
Tinga Island: 33
Oasis: 30
Harmattan: 27
Nu Island: 27
Angelfish Island: 21
Pranayama: 21
Garden Cradle: 20
Lima: 18
Lonelywood Lagoon: 16
Cochineal: 15
Waterberry: 15
Monsoon Island: 14
Corona Reef: 12
Macaw Island: 11
Ansel: 8
Winter Solstice: 4
Conglin: 2
Erh: 2
Spectre: 2

Iron:
Dragon's Nest: 48
Byrne Island: 37
Mermaid's Purse: 37
Stormy Fell: 37
Hephaestus' Forge: 34
Islay of Luthien: 33
Fintan: 31
Cabo de Hornos: 28
Tigerleaf Mountain: 26
Olive: 22
Hunter's Point: 21
Spring Island: 21
Swampfen: 18
Olin's Brow: 15
Dugong Island: 13
Wrasse Island: 12
Cormorant: 11
Dendrite: 11
Last Stand Hill: 11
Ostreum Island: 10
Iris Island: 9
Monsoon Island: 9
Orca Island: 7
Havoc: 5
Adder Ridge: 4
Nova: 4
Meke Island: 3
Turtle Island: 2

Wood:
Turtle Island: 137
Eta Island: 114
Spring Island: 111
Chaparral Island: 76
Namath Island: 67
Lima: 65
Jubilee: 62
Hadrian: 57
Charcoal: 50
Sakejima: 49
Radix: 48
Cranberry Island: 42
Park Island: 40
Beta Island: 36
Zeta Island: 36
Waterberry: 35
Terra: 34
Oasis: 30
Guava Island: 28
Kuhio: 24
Prolix Purlieu: 24
Pranayama: 22
Carmine: 20
Papaya Island: 18
Dugong Island: 15
Echo: 15
Windward Vale: 15
Raven's Roost: 12
Lonelywood Lagoon: 9
Viridis: 7
Whistler: 6
Jorvik Island: 2

Stone:
Xi Island: 107
Jorvik Island: 96
Cnossos: 69
Dragon's Nest: 60
Hadrian: 60
Stormy Fell: 60
Napi Peak: 55
Guava Island: 52
Tigerleaf Mountain: 38
Lynx: 37
Hunter's Point: 30
O'Reilly Island: 30
Uxmal Island: 30
Carmine: 28
Emperor Island: 27
Terra: 24
Turongo Island: 23
Garden Cradle: 20
Norse Island: 20
Olive: 20
Turtle Island: 18
Olin's Brow: 16
Cormorant: 14
Rhinoceros Ridge: 12
Park Island: 10
Flow: 9
Adder Ridge: 8
Winter Solstice: 8
Surtsey: 7
Havoc: 6

Madder:
Namath Island: 20
Tinga Island: 20
Verdant Atoll: 20
Winter Solstice: 20
Nova: 6
Corona Reef: 5
Tigerleaf Mountain: 4

Old Mans Beard:
Cormorant: 5
Lonelywood Lagoon: 5
Durian Island: 4
Mermaid's Purse: 4
Verdant Atoll: 4
Chaparral Island: 3
Zeta Island: 3

Yarrow:
Viridis: 15
Beta Island: 2
Flow: 2

Sassafras:
Yax Mutal: 5
Macaw Island: 3

Iris Root:
Kuhio: 6
Radix: 5
Sakejima: 4
Oseberg Island: 3
Ostreum Island: 3
Remora Island: 3

Weld:
Delta Island: 20
Guava Island: 20
Zeta Island: 20
Cabo de Hornos: 5
Olive: 5
Stormy Fell: 5

Broom Flower:
Cochineal: 5
Dendrite: 5
Hadrian: 5
Vernal Equinox: 4
Chaparral Island: 4

Lobelia:
Jubilee: 6
Whistler: 6
Terra: 5
Wrasse Island: 2
Park Island: 1

Pokeweed Berries:
Harmattan: 5
Polaris Point: 5
Spectre: 5
Dugong Island: 3
Wrasse Island: 3
Durian Island: 2
Frond Island: 2
Remora Island: 2
Tadpole Isle: 2

Indigo:
Olin's Brow: 12
Tinga Island: 1

Elderberries:
Cleopatra's Pearls: 20
Islay of Luthien: 20
Oyster Island: 20
Waterberry: 20
Xi Island: 20
Typhoon: 5
Charcoal: 4
Napi Peak: 4

Cowslip:
Cleopatra's Pearls: 6
Eclipse Island: 6
Flow: 6
Jorvik Island: 6
Macaw Island: 6
Papaya Island: 6
Uxmal Island: 6
Windward Vale: 5
Garden Cradle: 5
Hunter's Point: 5

Lily of the Valley:
Diastrophe: 5
Kirin: 5
Oasis: 5
Papaya Island: 5
Olivia Isle: 4
Rhinoceros Ridge: 4
Nuptial Island: 4

Nettle:
Midsummer: 20
Nu Island: 20
Turongo Island: 20
Uxmal Island: 11
Verdant Atoll: 9
Echo: 5
Fintan: 5
Lima: 5

Butterfly Weed:
Dragon's Nest: 5
Frond Island: 5
Monsoon Island: 5
O'Reilly Island: 5
The Horseshoe Crabs: 5
Carmine: 4
Oseberg Island: 3
Lagniappe Island: 3

Lorandite:
Crimson: 20
Durian Island: 1
Iris Island: 1
Rhinoceros Ridge: 1

Leushite:
Cormorant: 5
Conglin: 4
Frond Island: 2
Meke Island: 2
Oseberg Island: 2
The Horseshoe Crabs: 2

Tellurium:
Angelfish Island: 10
Hephaestus' Forge: 10
Orca Island: 10
Spring Island: 10
Uxmal Island: 10
Zeta Island: 10
Olivia Isle: 8
Charcoal: 6
Havoc: 6
Cnossos: 7
Carmine: 5
Erh: 5

Thorianite:
Pranayama: 6
Ravens Roost: 5
Swampfen: 3
Flow: 1
Vernal Equinox: 1

Chalcocite:
Moab: 4
Cleopatra's Pearls: 2
Lynx: 2
Wrasse Island: 2

Cubanite:
Sakejima: 5
Stormy Fell: 5
Adder Ridge: 4
Boyle Island: 2
Meke Island: 2
Papaya Island: 2

Serandite:
Last Stand Hill: 5
Xian Rock: 5
Cnossos: 4
Islay of Luthien: 4
Surtsey: 4
Angelfish Island: 3
Emperor Island: 3
Norse Island: 3

Papagoite:
Prolix Purlieu: 20
Iris Island: 2
Lynx: 2
Monsoon Island: 2
Norse Island: 2
The Horseshoe Crabs: 2

Sincosite:
Ansel: 5
Typhoon: 5
Lagniappe Island: 4
Byrne Island: 3
Epsilon Island: 3
Olivia Isle: 2
Vernal Equinox: 2

Masuyite:
Labyrinth Moors: 5
Meke Island: 2
O'Reilly Island: 2


To continue my example, Napi Peak used to spawn 11.81% of Cobalt's sugar cane, second only to Kirin which spawned 16.7%. Winter Solstice and Olivia spawned 22.5% and 15.1% respectively of Midnight's sugar cane. With the ocean merge more or less doubling the number of islands, if everything was even each island would be providing half of its old %, but that is simply not the case. Napi Peak and Kirin spawn a meager 2.52% and 3.56% respectively, whereas Winter and Olivia hold on to a remarkable 17.7% and 11.8%, respectively. Yes, you read that correct. One single island on Cerulean holds over 1/6th of its sugar cane spawn, when there are 37 islands that spawn it. The four dye herbs are mass quantity required items which all have at least 80% of their spawns on Midnight.

So, the question is: Massive oversight or intended trader's paradise?
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